she has hairy legs, and she eats raw meat

May 31, 2017, 1:49 pm

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OH, man. This is the weirdest thing that's happened in a while. So, there's an event called Kink(y) Monthly, and usually, there's a lot of interesting Adult-themed items--common features are lingerie, collars, leashes, spanking benches...you get the idea. It's occasionally laggy, because many folks (I'm ashamed to admit, I'm among them) go in full mesh with scripted HUDS on, and y'know, that increases the lag at busy shopping events.

There are many ways to deal with this problem. The most common include lowering your graphics settings, or setting everyone but you to impostor status. Recently, there's been a couple advancements, including jellydolls (Firestorm allows you to set how complex the avatars you're trying to render are), friends only (another Firestorm setting which renders only people on your friendslist), and derendering all avatars temporarily. While some of these are less well known, they are all useful techniques for events with lots of active scripts, vendors, and people.

Now, by the time this occurred, I had left due to lag. I'd seen all the offerings, picked up a few demos for outfits to try on later, and poofed away to a far less laggier locale. But my friends stayed, and...that's when this happened:

[23:39] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: fawkes you better get the [f*ck] away from me
[23:39] Fawkes Allen: I can't even see you! I have Avatars disabled due to lag
[23:39] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i will harass you if you keep bumping me

Keep in mind, this is not in IM. She is saying this IN OPEN CHAT.

[23:40] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I don't giva [shh*t]
[23:40] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: poof away, nothing here for you
[23:40] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You are here just to bother others
[23:40]Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: so just log off or tp out
[23:40] Fawkes Allen: I am here to shop, same as you.

The arrogant assumptions in her statements are galling. Mm. Allen, due to having derendered everyone, had, near as we can figure, bumped this aggressive little trash fire ONCE. After that SINGLE bump--to which all that was really required was "Hey! Don't bump me!" followed by an apology from Mm. Allen--she made it her mission in life to ruin everyones' night.

[23:40] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Oh yeah? Shopping for female panties you idiot?
[23:41] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you are standing in the wrong spot

Yeah, so...it's known that Mm. Allen--and many others in SL--are genderfluid. Sometimes he's male, sometime's she's female, sometimes it's a robot--because Mm. Allen frequently roleplays in various communities. Shopping for panties is not at all uncommon, but more than that, what's wrong with any male-identified avatar shopping for lingerie? They could have a wife, a girlfriend, a mistress. Maybe they're shopping for a friend who can't make the event. Maybe there's a birthday or anniversary coming up, and they're wondering if their partner(s) or friend(s) would like something like it. Or maybe, just maybe, they want to wear it themselves.

[23:41] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I saw you bumping everyone here and standing on that girl's head

The phrase "standing on that girl's head" is especially telling here. I won't lie, we often shop in a clump, and when we do, we generally select one person to port us places. Which she does by standing in place and sending out ports. This often results in us arriving before the last person has moved off the port point, so it's not at all uncommon that we will--briefly--find ourselves standing on someone's head.

But--and this is key--this happens in general outside the venues, or if inside, to the side of where the most people might aggregate. This tells me that this rampaging loony was considering Mm. Allen bumping us while getting untangled from the teleport clump as "bumping everyone here".

Thanks for being offended on our behalf, you knuckle-dragging Visigoth, but really, we're fine. Ask first before assuming someone else is completely in the wrong.

[23:41] Fawkes Allen: Yes? Beyond the fact I have multiple characters, It's nice to see what might be interesting to suggest to people I know.
[23:41] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: So go [F*CK] YOURSELF
[23:41] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You are not that clever lol
[23:41] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: leave
[23:42] Fawkes Allen: No, now stop being so rude, I'll stand still if that'll make you happier and Cam
[23:42] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ok,

And then she did--something--which shotput Fawkes out of the building and near the edge of the sim. After Mm. Allen flew back, confused, the conversation continued. Again, IN MAIN CHAT:

[23:44] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you want more?
[23:45] Fawkes Allen: You're the one Griefing me?
[23:45] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yeah so?

Open admission of griefing tactics used on another SL avatar in main chat. Abuse reports began to be filed. From IMs in a group conference we were using:

[23:46] Fawkes Allen: Assault or Harassment?
[23:47] Fawkes Allen: What's the category for Griefing?
[23:47] Axxxxxxxx Axxxxx: Hmm, I don't know actually, I've never reported anyone before, I thought Griefing was it's own thing
[23:48] Emilly Orr: Assault.
[23:48] Emilly Orr: Bumping, pushing, or shoving someone--deliberately--in a safe area
[23:49] Axxxxxxxx Axxxxx: Yah, I'm glad I walked over, this is great
[23:50] Axxxxxxxx Axxxxx: Wish I had popcorn
[23:50] Emilly Orr: It went on?
[23:50] Emilly Orr: Oh dear gods, she's saying all this in OPEN CHAT??
[23:50] Axxxxxxxx Axxxxx: It's still going, and yep

Another friend had walked over at this point, trying to keep the peace.

[23:47] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You're not making any sense, [Jxxx]. He's clearly just trying to shop like the rest of us.
[23:47] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Shut up idiot, no one is talking to you
[23:47] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: what are you his alt?
[23:47] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [f*ck] off
[23:47] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: What a pleasant personality.

Yeah, really. And apparently she's proud of being her objectionable little self:

[23:47] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yeah, I am not so shut the [f*ck] up ok?
[23:47] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: No one is talking or dealing with you
[23:48] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i am talking to fawkes not you
[23:48] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: And did he get to choose to talk to you or not?
[23:48] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You want to suck his lil [d*ck] go right ahead, but I am not talking to you at all
[23:48] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Why would you get to choose who to talk to at will, but other people don't get to choose to talk to you if they want to?
[23:48] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: He bumped me and everyone else if you have to know lol

Yeah, at this point I'm calling shenanigans on this assertion. I know I wasn't there, personally, but I have verification of three other people who were there with Mm. Allen, and they saw him bump her once, period. Once. Only.
[23:48] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Ok you are his alt I get it
[23:48] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: This is a lagfest.
[23:49] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Lotsa people will bump into people.
As is the nature of many large shopping events. Decent people apologize when we can--when we catch it--and if not, for most people, it's a momentary flare of irritation, and then, guess what, they go on with their day. Like rational adults do. Instead of spoiled children, like Ms. [Jxxx] here:

[23:49] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: fawkes, your computer is getting hot isn't it with 2 avatars?
[23:49] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol
[23:49] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It's not like we get physically hurt by it.
[23:49] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: at least make a real "woman" as an alt ffs
[23:49] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: not a monkey

I don't understand the "monkey" thing at all. [Txxxxxxxx] is an elemental female, with ears that are roughly cat-shaped, and a tail made of bubbles. She is alternately composed of water, earth, air or lava, depending on her mood. How does that equate to "monkey"?

[23:50] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I'm nobody's alt. I am his friend though. See, people with decent personalities get to have friends.
[23:50] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It's kind've a neat perk.
[23:51] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: blah blah blah......take ur monkey tail and your friend elsewhere then
[23:51] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: No.
[23:51] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: We're shopping.
[23:51] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Which I'm gonna get back to doing now.
[23:51] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Cheers!

And when this particular elemental decides to walk away from a peacekeeping effort, you have definitely done something wrong, because she's just about the calmest, most peaceful person I know.

[23:51] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ok
[23:51] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: "sheds a tear"

Normally--or at least, these days--I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she had a bad day. Maybe she's under a lot of work or relationship stress. But all that changed when I pulled up her profile.

Turns out she's all of five months old. This is her SL bio:

All I gotta say is play cool with me and we'll be cool! Be a [f*cking] bitch and I will be a bigger [f*cking] bitch....;)...test me! I will own you, so back the [f*ck] off unless you're willing to look stupid ;)

Ooookay. Though I'm fairly sure the only one looking stupid here is her.

Her first life bio?

Only people with a "need to know" criteria will know, otherwise all you need to know is that I don't know what to tell ya!

So she's not smart enough to come up with a bio, she's barely smart enough to spell simple words in main chat at a highly populated event, and she has no picks.

What a total waste of oxygen.

But that wasn't the end of things. She was still ranting, only now, she'd moved to IMing Mm. Allen directly:

[00:04] [00:04] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: so that's ur alt?
[00:04] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: monkey tailed chick lol
[00:04] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: that is the best you got for me?
[00:04] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: A noobish looking avatar talking big in local?

What's "talking big" in local? Seriously, I want to know how trying to mediate equates to a threatening gesture. Does she view any form of conversation as verbal assault?

[00:05] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: That is the best you got?
[00:05] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 3713 days and that is the best you got for me huh?
[00:05] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You do need better friends you know? Lol
[00:05] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: That [sh*t] is no help to you lol
[00:06] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I can help her look half way decent if you need, let me know lol
[00:06] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: As of now, she looks like death lol

Given the choice between my friend's elemental structure, which is original and fascinating, and Ms. [Jess]'s spraddle hips, spray-tanned skin, and a thigh gap you could drive a tank through...well, I know which one I'd pick for fashion advice.

[00:06] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I mean wtf is with the tail and the ears? Lol
[00:06] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Is she a monkey?
[00:07] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: tell her to go get a body, a head, and a skin
[00:07] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and get rid of that tail shit deal lol

She's never seen any neko on the grid? She's associated solely with humans her entire five months of experience?

Oh, who am I kidding, she probably has. Probably has no idea that the grid is larger than her filth-filled head.

[00:08] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I won't tell ehr that so I won't be too rude

No, of course not, because you're respectful of other avatars' feelings. Cue my massive, nigh crushing sensation of disbelief.

[00:08] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but you know better with all the years you got here
[00:08] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: And next time you want to come and fuck around with people, make sure you look at the avatars and read their profiles ok?
[00:09] Jxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Some of us know a lot actually

Some people, sure. Not you, clearly. You're stone-stick stupid, and it looks like you won't be improving any time soon.

[00:14] Fawkes Allen: I do like her 'I don't want to be rude'
[00:14] Fawkes Allen: Like...no

Yeah. Because she passed rude a long time back.

[00:15] Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yeah, do not engage with toxic personalities, generally.

Yeah. Ever. It never turns out well.

[00:16] Axxxxxxxx Axxxxx: Honestly, I don't think she would care, it didn't really seem like she was reading what you were saying
[00:18] Axxxxxxxx Axxxxx: People like her are why I hate people
[00:19] Emilly Orr nodnods
[00:20] Axxxxxxxx Axxxxx: Ah well, at least her stupidity was hilarious

And saved. More than willing on this one, to give the name to anyone who asks. Just in case y'all want to ban the stupid from your lands or events. I know I'm preemptively banning her from any lands that I own.

And after that lovely bit of strangeness, have some religious nightmare fuel. I don't even. Also, I don't want to be glared at by a robot in diamond-plate armor speaking about God. Thanks, but no.

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there's an SOS, I'm calling out

June 2, 2017, 12:52 pm

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I've had a problem for a while with finding a solid, dependable ankle lock. I had one, from Mesh Agency^*, and it worked without fail, but on the last update of Firestorm, it stopped working. So I picked up some others, intending to find one that worked consistently with the burlesque chairs we use at Sakura, which are from Henmations.

^*(Technically, it was sold by [BREATHE] on the MP; I can't find it now, but that's because Mesh Agency specifically says buyers are not to sell it as an independent item, only with shoes, so...that may be why I can't track it down at this point.)

So, last night, friend of mine needed a live body to bed-test. This was over at Newcastle, so off we went, and I noticed that many of the poses really broke my ankles. And the default I'd been running with, from *BoSH*, totally didn't fix it, even after several resets. So in desperation, I started at the top of my folder of ankle locks and as it turned out, the one from Diamond worked like a charm. Yay.

But it got me thinking--why is this happening? It's far from the first time I've noticed; in fact, it's been a couple months, at least. This shouldn't be a big problem because the script for any ankle lock seems pretty simple, doesn't it?

Anyway, had a conversation with someone from Meli Imako's group about the problem. I'm not the only one to notice.

[12:38] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: ty, so i might not be failing it's the script itself. i tested the anim in world by itself and it worked... i'm sitting here thinking damn near ten years building experience and i'm being bested by this thing
[12:38] Emilly Orr: Right.
[12:38] Emilly Orr: there is something IN the script currently, and I don't know enough about scripting to find it.
[12:39] Emilly Orr: But either LL broke a facet of their programming language, or different items are now interacting with other items in non-expected ways. Maybe it's a priority setting?
[12:40] Emilly Orr: Like, last night, testing a bed for sale at Newcastle, I noticed my ankles broke, and I was wearing the BoSH ankle lock. Wouldn't work even after reset.
[12:40] Emilly Orr: Took it off and put on the Diamond ankle lock, which hasn't worked on ANYTHING else, and it worked. So I have no clue.

I didn't think to capture pics at the time, but I went back by myself for a quick before-and-after. This is without the Diamond ankle lock:

This is the before pic, with me wearing the *BoSH* ankle HUD. And this one:

is my ankle after application of the Diamond ankle HUD.

[12:42] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: i just bought his $1 to test and i noticed it was working mostly but faded and my AO started taking it over. so i thought well maybe if it's in the shoe it'll work better so i got the builder edition and then my meli hud didn't work and it wasent working iether
[12:42] Emilly Orr: See? It's a bug, somewhere, but it's elusive.
[12:42] Emilly Orr: If you figure it out, announce it somewhere, it's been a headache for a while!
[12:44] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: i was honestly thinking it was bosh, i have never fully been happy with his scripts. he was the first hud i used years ago but when he went to the 1 script version for mesh something about it i didn't like
[12:45] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: it might be easier to figure out if the scripts wernt no mod... i understand why they are but it means no one can look at them to figure it out
[12:45] Emilly Orr: Hmm.
[12:45] Emilly Orr: That's something.
[12:45] Emilly Orr: A moddable ankle lock script.
[12:46] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: i would think all it has to be is a play anim script to work
[12:48] Emilly Orr: Okay: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/AnkleLock
[12:48] Emilly Orr: They mention it was recently updated.
[12:58] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: you click on the link to the updated project and it comes up as an error. or did i miss something

Nope. It 404s (without actually 404-ing.)

[12:59] Emilly Orr: Damn.
[13:00] Emilly Orr: That may be part of the problem.
[13:00] Emilly Orr: Now it's a puzzle!
[13:03] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: i wonder if boch would be able to help. i have talked to him a few times... he tries to mansplane things though
[13:06] Emilly Orr: Ugh. But maybe, it's worth the ask, at least.
[13:12] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: well, he's online and says he's checking
[13:14] Emilly Orr: Interesting. I wonder if he's noticed anything.
[13:14] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: he says he's checking the script sorce and it'll be a few
[13:19] BBxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: he gave me a new script to try, let you know in a few
[13:19] Emilly Orr: Keen
[13:30] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: took a while for the AO to cycle through to an animation that twists the ankle but.... still no dice
[13:30] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: [sent a picture link, picture below]

[13:33] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: said he has to look in to it deeper and refunded me
[13:44] Emilly Orr: Went afk for coffee
[13:45] Emilly Orr: I'm not going to sweat a Linden, but that he sees a problem, too, that's interesting
[13:45] Emilly Orr: Huh. Standing? I've never had problems standing. That's deeply odd.
[13:48] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: well i'm not even sweating the 99 i spent for the builder edition... i have wasted more than that on things that wont work for me lol
[13:50] Emilly Orr: So true
[13:51] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: oy i need some Tylenol now lol, i posted the result to meli's grp if anyone pays attention lol
[13:52] Emilly Orr: Maybe someone will
[13:52] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: you want me to update once he gets done with the script?
[13:53] Bxxxxxxxxx Sxxxx: he said it should be a few hours but it might be longer
[13:54] Emilly Orr: Sure!

She hasn't gotten back to me yet, I'm probably going to IM her and ask in a day or so. But something else has occurred to me--maybe it's not that the Lindens broke something, but that Firestorm broke something on their update? We're both on Firestorm, so...is that the answer? Who do we ask then?

It's still a puzzle. The mystery abounds.

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cracking the anatomy

June 4, 2017, 11:13 am

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Well, this is an interesting development. Pursuant to that, by the way, I had no idea Ozimals had changed hands--I thought Candy Cerveau and Malkavyn Eldritch were still sole owners and operators, but according to this document, it seems that's not the case.

Also, have an open letter to the Mayor of Austin, Texas, about Alamo Drafthouse's woman-only screening of Wonder Woman; a list of printers which may--or may not--display identifiable "tracking dots"; a mod that turns Fallout 4 into a gloomy, unnerving horror game; and enjoy some shots of the Museum of Failure.

Could you not just die over this? I swear, Build-a-Bear is killing it over their Pokémon line. (Except for Eevee. Eevee still looks odd.)

Also, your weekly reminder that we are, in fact, living in the future.

If you want more, how about a definitive list of essential cyberpunk fiction works? To that end, how about a list of free-to-download works of fundamental, early science fiction in the public domain? Awesomely tasty stuff.

Lastly, looking at getting a rice cooker? Look through this list.

"It has been said, 'Time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone."

~Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

There's definitely truth in that.

[00:33] Miyu Goodnight: I just spawned inside someone's torso
[00:33] Miyu Goodnight: This is fine

I feel you, Miyu. (Actually, possibly literally--I might have been the torso.) More later.

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clear target in the summer when skies are blue

June 7, 2017, 5:24 pm

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One must be careful how one struts, I suppose.

[14:09] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx struts his stiff
[14:09] Emilly Orr: Struts your stiff...what?
[14:09] Emilly Orr: Inquiring minds and all that.

Yes. They truly do want to know.

[14:09] hxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Gxxxxxxx] Gorgeous!
[14:09] Txxxx Rxxxxxxxxx covers her eyes! "I don't want to know what's stiff!"

True, that's one of those unsafe-to-answer questions in SL, depending.

[14:09] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 0.0
[14:09] Kxxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxxx: no comment!
[14:09] Emilly Orr: You started it!
[14:10] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: stuff stuff
[14:10] hxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well he IS gorgeous
[14:10] Emilly Orr: Suuuure.

Yes, I'm suuure that's what he meant to type.

[14:10] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: curse you talons and keyboard

Well, to be fair, that can be a problem also.

[14:10] Emilly Orr: You say that NOW...
[14:10] Mxxxxxxxxx Fxxx: A pencil.
[14:10] Bxxx Txxxxxx: lol
[14:10] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: heee
[14:10] Txxxx Rxxxxxxxxx peeks out between her fingers and sighs relief

That it's not stiff, or that it's not there? Or...that it's a pencil??

[14:10] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: now that I woke everyone up .... ehehe
[14:11] hxxxx Rxxxxxxx: nice dragon here is a big cookie
[14:12] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: delicately anf gratefully accepts said cookie ad proceeds to nom it grciously

Talons confirmed. Or [Gxx] can't spell. Could be 60/40, talons.

14:13] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: pfft
[14:13] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Gxx] showin off?

Always.

[14:14] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: nuuuuu
[14:14] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: smh
[14:14] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx never does thaaaat.
[14:14] Kxxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxxx: isnt he normally?

Since I've known him at least.

[14:14] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You are gorgeous and yes you make all us ladies swoon lol
[14:14] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: buuuut
[14:14] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I am shocked at such baseless and accurate comments
[14:14] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I mean in accurte
[14:14] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Your ego is larger than life *giggles*

Well, so is he, so...would that make it just a him-sized ego, after all?

[14:14] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: All you people can't you see can't you see
[14:15] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: how your love's affecting our reality...everytime we're down..you can make it right

This sounded familiar, and I'm ashamed that my semi-secret bubblegum-pop heart didn't immediately identify this. It's Backstreet Boys, Larger than Life.

[14:15] Kxxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxxx: cant you see, what that dragon, been doing to me
[14:15] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well to be fair as a dragon I am larger than most ... so shouldn't me ego be size appropriate?
[14:15] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: annnnnd that makes you larger than liiiiiife yeaaaaah
[14:15] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx chuckles
[14:15] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I suppose [Gxx] I suppose
[14:15] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: wait wut

Yeah, kind of with the freakin' big dragon-type. What?

[14:15] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: Size is relative, that's what the Men in Black movies taught us
[14:16] Mxxxxxxxxx Fxxx: The needle may sting, but it's still just a needle.
[14:17] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: yeah but with the right drug or combination of nanites, needles can do wonders
[14:17] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hmmm...if only there were a way to use a throng of adoring fans to some purpose ... hmmmm
[14:17] Emilly Orr: Wait, we went from pencils to needles...are we still talking about [Gxx]?

Because to be fair, that is kind of a diameter switch...

[14:17] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: I think someone needs to knock you down a peg

Why? He means no harm by it, the group at large plays into it willingly, no one's getting hurt...so...again, why?

[14:18] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well, to your purpose ..of course there is!!
[14:18] Mxxxxxxxxx Fxxx: Pegs?
[14:18] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Selling that adorably awesome plushie you are talking about!
[14:19] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: knock me down a peg? why would anyone want to do something so inconceivable
[14:19] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: because it's easy

Damn, the bitchy side of the Force is showing.

[14:19] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: OH [Gxx] your glorious light shines and all the girls swoon ...

Well, that's going a tad far...

[14:19] Kxxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxxx hopefully awaits her [Gxx] plushy
[14:19] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: puts a forearm to my forehead .. I am cut to the core ...wounded deep in my soul
[14:19] Kxxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxxx: um, [mxxxxxx], youre not helping
[14:20] Emilly Orr: It's likely the needles.
[14:20] Rxxx Dxxxx: or cacti
[14:20] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: I actually have no clue who [Gxx] is, I have vague memories but nothing permanent....besides, he's still young...only a 4 year old avatar...so kind of forgettable

Wait. Four years in world isn't four months; that's a bit of time expended, getting to know the way the grid operates, learning what goes and what doesn't here, figuring out who we are in this virtual space and what we want to be. Four years, that's not nothing. She seems to be so dismissive with this statement.

[14:20] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx giggles again shaking her head
[14:20] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Its always nice once in awhile...to tell someone how awesome they are.
[14:20] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It is quality not quantity dearie
[14:20] Rxxx Dxxxx: quantity here with [hxxxxxxx]
[14:21] Rxxx Dxxxx: take that anyway you like
[14:21] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: yeah and I've heard nothing but the circle jerk in here about your "quality" so they're obviously biased

Okay, seriously, whose bed did she fall out of this morning, and what the hell happened on the way down? She's being vile and vituperative for no cause I can understand.

[14:21] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: bwahahaha
[14:21] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: or simply espouse good taste
[14:22] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: I didn't know train wrecks had a flavor
[14:22] Kxxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxxx: lol

Now you do. (Actually, this is the chat that I took that comment from, because that's just so on-target for this blog.)

[14:22] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: now now envy is not a pretty color on you :P
[14:23] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: Blue is a damn good color on me

Wait, envy's not blue, though, is it? Envy's green, I thought.

[14:23] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: Envy only counts if you have something I desire and I've gotten along just fine for this long without ever having to visit your store or message you

DAMN, girl, lock it DOWN already. Stop poking the man, it's becoming obsessive.

[14:24] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: just another bloated ego in a sea of maniacs
[14:24] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: my someone is grumpy today

Stone-the-crows-at-home truth, there. VERY grumpy.

[14:24] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well
[14:24] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: I win :D

How do you figure any of your sniping is a win?

[14:24] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Sxxxxx] YOU ARE LOVELY AS WELL
[14:25] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I think we all have something someone wants
[14:25] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: except for me....*sobs* jkjk
[14:25] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you won nothing but being sad and rather unpleasant but since I do not care about you it does not affect me one one way or the other

I really can't blame him for sniping back, in all fairness.

[14:26] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: so....
[14:26] Emilly Orr: Wait, [Gxx] has a store? How did I not know this?
[14:26] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: anyone excited for next years fair
[14:26] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx clears her throat

At this point [Gxxxxxxx] sent me a store link on MP, which was kind of him. He has some fun things. But then...

[14:26] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: no one is just "lovely" people are ugly and beautiful in unequal amounts, saying that anyone is lovely is a lie, telling them they have the potential to be beautiful if they work hard and actually TRY to do so is better...giving someone a baseless pretty lie is cruel...giving someone a shot at their potential using what they have on hand and what they can do...that's called hope
[14:26] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: a small one .. I am not a great content creator by any means that I admit
[14:26] Emilly Orr: So you don't believe in hope?

Yeah, I went there, because at this point I'd pulled her profile, and while she's not the worst person I've run across in SL, she's pretty out there. For a 'beacon of hope' she is a bitter, spiteful, vicious little ball of rage. I'm mystified.

[14:27] Åxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol Interesting convo here and ooooo what next fair, [Mxxxxxx]?
[14:27] Sxxxx Txxxxxxx: I'm one of the last Blue Lanterns still operating in SL, I espouse hope

Which frankly, I disbelieve entirely. Not that she's a Blue Lantern; I'm quite sure she is. But that she espouses hope; with that level of bitter spitefulness and virulent jealousy, I'm not sure that she's capable of hope.

[14:27] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: The fantasy fair
[14:27] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and i meant your look...[Sxxxxx]
[14:27] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: She is already looking forward to next year
[14:27] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I try to stay positive here on sl since it is where i try to stay positive
[14:28] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and leave all the bs out in the real world

Ideally, we all should. Pity the Blue Lantern in our midst couldn't manage to do that.

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night was dark, but the sky was blue

June 10, 2017, 9:09 pm

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Something strange is afoot in Gearhaven...again.

The scattered legions gather, remnants of older, greater nations, or nations forgotten from other realms, or even nations forgotten from this one. Why are they here? What do they intend? And who built the strange dark tower in the midst of Gearhaven?

Is that platform supporting a...cannon? For what reason? Does it have any connection to the mining now excavating Gearhaven underneath, or does it have a...darker intention?

That is not a cannon. I'm not even sure it's a Gatling gun. Is it a...mining laser? I've only ever seen a few, and those have all been cavorite-powered. Still, rich deposits of cavorite have been found in Gearhaven, so...perhaps it was built locally, not...imported?

All I know is, there is a great deal happening in Gearhaven of late, and no real clue as to what it is, or what's been found. I am both intrigued...and perturbed.

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moving like a hunter through my back door

June 13, 2017, 12:47 pm

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This happened so long ago, I'd actually forgotten I still had it in drafts, but I'm still baffled by it.

[11:13] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: when I can meet most beautiful pixel girls in SL?
[11:14] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I mean where*

That's a rather stunning way to start a conversation. All he's after is beauty, personality doesn't matter? And what are his criteria for beauty? Standards do vary after all.

[11:14] nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: o.0
[11:15] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: wonders if [Axxx] will start a [group] match.com

Oh, I do hope not. That might be terrifying.

[11:17] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: runs a talon down my hips.....I am currently available
[11:17] nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: He is...
[11:17] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: at least until the restraining order from [Gxxxxx] expires
[11:36] Emilly Orr: My. Six years on the grid, and you haven't figured out how to find girls yet?
[11:36] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: mmmmm really not
[11:36] Emilly Orr: Astonishing.

It really is. Oh, but wait, he's after the 'most beautiful', not just any average pixel girl...

[11:37] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: girls are really Claver and sly
[11:37] Zxx Cxxxxxxx: try dating a guy
[11:37] Zxx Cxxxxxxx: it's easier
[11:37] Zxx Cxxxxxxx: and you get to do cool guy stuff
[11:37] Emilly Orr: There is that.

You know, that doesn't work as well the other way. Women date other women and the bathroom's busy more of the time, and then everyone in the argument gets to say "YOU know what you did!" or "If you don't know, don't expect me to tell you!"

But also, that line about girls being 'Claver and sly'...it makes us sound like we're feral creatures, sharp of tooth and claw, skulking under the trees. Though perhaps, to this fellow, we are.

[11:37] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol Hahaha I love my ass lol ))))))
[11:37] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hahahhaha
[11:38] nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Its sometimes easier than you think.... *looks around cautiously for She Who Must Not Be Named*
[11:38] Emilly Orr: Well, see? You're set. You love asses, you're a guy, find another fellow, the magic will happen.

Isn't that the way it usually goes, I mean?

[11:38] Axxxxxxx Fxxxxxxx: Well [group] has nothing but clever beautiful WOMEN with intelligence and personalities, but if your looking for girls.. well gor's a good start ..I guess.
[11:39] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: noooo
[11:39] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes here really beautiful women for sure

Thank you for the compliment...I guess...

[11:39] Emilly Orr: Ohhhh, you meant no rear entry. Pity, it can be fun.
[11:40] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but it is more hard to control woman I am young guy just 23
[11:40] Emilly Orr: Control....what, exactly, are we talking about here? You're seeking a date, you're seeking someone to collar and cage, what?
[11:41] Axxxxxxx Fxxxxxxx: Yeahh sounds like you need to look for a "gorean girl"
[11:41] Emilly Orr: Oh, be fair, some Gorean women are VERY hard to control, by intent and practice. :D
[11:42] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: mmmmmm not like anything like it ...control mean ..I talked with older woman but they always guided me like do this and don't
[11:42] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: that I don't lioe

I believe he means 'like' here, but...are we sure he's twenty-three? It sounds like he's younger and protesting about Grandma wanting to make sure his face is clean, or something.

[11:42] nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You're 23 and .... *stares and just shakes his head*
[11:42] Axxxxxxx Fxxxxxxx: there is a distinct difference between a girl and a woman.

Yes. There is.
[11:42] Emilly Orr: Very set in his ways already, yes. I'm beginning to perceive the difficulty.
[11:44] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: mmmmm yes that's problem
[11:44] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: can I date with you ?
Really? From you want a beautiful pixel girl, to you want to date me?[11:44] Axxxxxxx Fxxxxxxx: -settles on the couch and pulls out a bag of popcorn and a large drink to watch what happens...next.
[11:45] Emilly Orr: My dear, I don't think you could afford me, elsewise...maybe. I admit, I'm intrigued that you think you have no chance on the grid.
[11:45] Zxx Cxxxxxxx: yea go look in groups
[11:45] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: mmmmm affording you )))) here is no coffee shop lol
[11:46] Zxx Cxxxxxxx: there's bound to be one of ladies looking for men
[11:46] Zxx Cxxxxxxx: and if you wanna spoil someone hell, I'm here :p
[11:46] Axxxxxxx Fxxxxxxx: He is not looking for ladies - he is looking for a "girl"
True. One that's not too 'Claver and sly'.
[11:46] Emilly Orr: Oh, there are coffee shops and restaurants scattered about. But I didn't mean that. I charge.
[11:46] Zxx Cxxxxxxx: oh
[11:46] Emilly Orr: It sounds like you're looking for someone that's more interested in a relationship.
[11:46] Zxx Cxxxxxxx: ooohhh
[11:47] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: mmmm then )
[11:47] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I give you my house keys
What?[11:47] Emilly Orr blinks
[11:47] Emilly Orr: I...don't understand what that means.
[11:47] nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Don't do it Emily!
[11:47] nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: o.0
[11:47] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: :))) cool
[11:47] nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: its a trap!
[11:47] Emilly Orr: Trust me, I have no intention to.
So far, he'd spectacularly failed in impressing any of us with intelligence, wit, or even the ability to string coherent words together into a single sentence.
[11:47] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx ragdoll
[11:47] Emilly Orr: ....wait.
[11:48] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: )))) I will send you keys soon
[11:48] Emilly Orr: You're looking for a doll?
[11:48] Emilly Orr: Oh, that's an ENTIRELY different proposition.
It really is. Dolls still come in all shapes and sizes, the community is still vast and diverse, but the ones he's likeliest to run across, he'd have to start frequenting the rubber/bondage sims to find. And for most rubber dolls, at least the serious ones, they seem mainly interested in other women...
[11:48] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: no its my house address in SL
Goodness, I don't want that. Have I given any indication that I want that?[11:48] Axxxxxxx Fxxxxxxx leans over to whisper to [Nxxx] - "bet he has a freezer for of Female avatarts in his basement"-eats more popcorn-
[11:48] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but wait [zxx] have you said something to me?
[11:48] Emilly Orr: I...don't make house calls, unless I know the patron fairly well.
[11:49] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: mmmm it will be your house
Nooope, no it won't.
[11:49] nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: This is.... profoundly creepy. *nods slowly in agreement with [Axxx]*
[11:49] Emilly Orr: It will not be my house, but thank you for the offer.
[11:50] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: mmmmm but what you meant by affording you lol I will script you some car
I don't even know what that means. Is he offering to buy me a car? No, wait, he says 'script' here. He's offering to make me a car? But...I don't drive. Where I go, I port, I fly, I walk, or on rare occasions, I sail. I never drive, unless it's a train, and even then, no one drives a train, really...
[11:50] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: will upload some mesh jewellery
Again, not 'I will buy you pretty things', but 'I will upload something for you'. Now, let's be fair--I am not completely mercenary. I enjoy conversation and interchange, and no one's ever needed to buy me anything to make me feel desired or respected. But he's not even offering that--he's just saying "I have a template for a mesh thing, I'll upload it for you'.

But then, maybe that sort of thing impresses the non-'Claver' girls he's after...

[11:51] Emilly Orr: I'm beginning to suspect English is not your language of origin. Also, I work in Lindens.
[11:52] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: nah its my first language, you work in LL??

No. English is not a learned language? Then he is really, really bad at speaking.

[11:52] Emilly Orr shakes her head.
[11:52] Emilly Orr: We are having a failure to communicate.
[11:52] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: o.0
[11:52] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you mean at their San Fransisco Lab?

No.

[11:52] nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: *steals some of [Axxx's] popcorn*
[11:53] Axxxxxxx Fxxxxxxx hands him the bag because she has a chocolate orange too.
[11:53] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx licks the orange
[11:53] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ahmmm what happened?

Got me. Though I'm no longer surprised that he can't figure out what he's doing, which seems to be how this conversation is going so far.

[11:53] Emilly Orr stares at the popcorn, but decides on rum instead.
[11:53] Axxxxxxx Fxxxxxxx whispers "this is downgrading slowly, fascinating to watch......"
[11:54] Emilly Orr: No, it's actually downgrading pretty fast. The odd thing is the only one who hasn't realized it is him.
[11:54] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx only upgrades
[11:54] Emilly Orr: Yes, but you're you.
[11:55] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: much to the chagrin of some hehehe
[11:55] Emilly Orr grins

See, unlike some, I like our friendly neighborhood sparkly dragon. We don't interact that often outside of group chats or occasional parties, but I like him.

[11:55] nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: why is the rum gone? Emily drank it all....
[11:56] Emilly Orr: Well, don't expect me to help with that.
[11:57] Emilly Orr: And I didn't drink all of it, I only have the one bottle!

Meanwhile, Mr. [w] had contacted me by IM.

[11:55] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: are you at working at that place?
[11:55] Emilly Orr: Which place?
[11:55] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you said you working at linden lab
[11:56] Emilly Orr: No, I didn't.
[11:56] Emilly Orr: I said I only work in Lindens. As in, L$. As in, currency. Not scripted objects, not homes, not jewelry. Gifts are nice, but not my main transaction form.
[11:57] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: :) you like coins
[11:57] Emilly Orr blinks
[11:57] Emilly Orr: Sure...let's go with that.
[11:57] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ok I will kiss you by linden love
[11:58] Second Life: pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx paid you L$25.

[11:58] Emilly Orr: Did you want that back?
[11:58] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: huh why
[11:58] Emilly Orr: Well, why did you send it to me?
[11:58] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: its linden love

I don't understand.

[11:58] Emilly Orr: You're very odd.
[11:59] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: thank you )))) its not easy to being odd hahaha
[12:00] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: that linden love in on lips )
[12:01] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: mmmmm have you blocked me ?

Why would I block him? I block people for being offensive or hurtful, not stupid.

[12:01] Emilly Orr: No, just puzzled.
[12:02] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: why puzzled )

It was at this point I realized he was using ")" to signify ":)". I don't get him at all...

[12:03] Emilly Orr: You say you're looking for a girl, we say there's a difference between girls and women, you don't get it.
[12:03] Emilly Orr: I say I'm a courtesan, you pay me L$25.
[12:03] Emilly Orr: I don't get it.
[12:05] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it is not like for that , just to cheer you up )) you seems good person ....being courtesan in SL in not problem

...Thanks?[12:06] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: :)))) you love lindens that's it
[12:06] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I love lindens too))))
[12:07] Emilly Orr: Well, you are a DJ.
[12:07] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yep I am :)))
[12:08] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: coins sound is best
I really didn't have anything to add to that, and the IM conversation sort of sputtered to a halt.

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I walk 47 miles of barbed wire

June 18, 2017, 5:36 pm

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While this happened around Yule, originally, it's a perfect example of "This (or something like this) happens every night":

[3:22:30 AM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Bento forces your fingers to be splayed
[3:22:31 AM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: How...odd
[5:08:27 PM] Emilly Orr: But I do not want my finners to be splayed. I wear mesh hands so my finners will NOT be splayed.

This was before I had Bento anything, and I still don't have Bento for many things. But this seemed to be something to do with Bento rings, which...I don't understand why Bento-optimized animations would do that.

[5:08:40 PM] Emilly Orr: Also, I am full of woe and regrets. The coffee is almost gone.
[5:09:21 PM] Emilly Orr: Also also, for those that have Faceblech, and have an interest in 7 Deadly Skins, go to their page and enter and like the page for a chance to win a 10K store credit.

I'm leaving this in, because there's generally some sort of contest or hint or clue or something about their in-world store to do on their FB page.

[5:31:20 PM] Emilly Orr: So, today's gifts from Violetility are the "Kiss me" Mistletoe sign, which apparently will pair well with the "Pelvic Mistletoe".
[5:35:46 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: How odd. Like, what fingers get splayed? Non-bento rigged mesh hands?
Bento mesh hands? LL avatar? MY RL FINGERS?!?
[5:35:49 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Worst glitch.

Probably not your RL fingers, unless things have gone very very wrong.

[5:38:56 PM] Emilly Orr: I'm thinking, system avatar hands are splayed, but does that also mean Bento-rigged mesh hands will splay, too? And what about non-Bento-rigged ones? There are so many questions.
[5:39:22 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: I don't want my RL fingers constantly splayed.
[5:40:22 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: So does 7 Deadly Skins sell just skins? I forget if that's the one Fawkes was saying sells more than just skins.
[5:42:33 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: 7 is just skins
[5:43:10 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Alterego has a sister store that sells not skins
[5:42:50 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Right, that was the one.
[5:43:10 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Also, ll fingers

I forget, it's been so long--did he mean, he only has eleven fingers, or the Bento animation only splays eleven fingers??

[5:43:22 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Were my fingers splayed last night?
[5:43:44 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: When on the animation pose stand, yes
[5:43:54 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: But also for me when I put on the tail
[5:44:49 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Huh.
[5:44:53 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: No Bueno.
[5:46:09 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: May try again, see if others have that issue, but it is a major issue.
[5:46:19 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Si.

Suddenly occurs to me--this was around the holidays, so...has it been fixed yet? I don't know.

[5:47:00 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: [Fxxx], you have no avatar
[5:47:18 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx:
[5:47:26 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Where did it go?
[5:47:32 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: No idea
[5:47:38 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Also, are we talking about Skype avatars?
[5:48:41 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Yes
[5:48:54 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: I have one. It is a flame.
[5:49:10 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: [links picture of the avatar]
[5:49:11 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: You used to.
[5:49:19 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Phone Skype disagrees
[5:49:29 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Phone Skype is so broken.

Emi agrees.

[5:54:30 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: http://neil-gaiman.tumblr.com/post/18932682858/as-requested-by-too-many-people-making-the-last
[6:23:39 PM] Emilly Orr: Skins, makeup layers (system and Catwa, mainly), appliers for most of the major mesh body lines, and a well-developed male line of skins in addition to the female line

I was responding to the earlier question about what 7 Deadly Skins sells.

[6:24:48 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: I feel like I came to Alice Project as the gift was being changed
[6:27:23 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Ama. was going to have an advent, been cancelled due to illness.
[6:27:34 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: That's unfortunate.
[6:28:24 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: It 'tis.
[6:29:06 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Thinking more upon it, it seems like more an animation issue than a Bento one possibly.

Well, I do know that unless one specifically does animation work on hands, they always upload as fingers splayed, or at least used to. But Bento offers hand bones, so...?[6:29:49 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: I mean, isn't it a bit of both? But maybe!

[6:29:58 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: If it's *only* the tail.
[6:30:04 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: I would need to try other Bento animations.
[6:30:25 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: No, because LL finger positions are only affected by animations, not rigging. Theoretically.So it can't be a Bento-specific issue.
[6:31:06 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: So just animation issue. It's likely, and I'm theorizing here, a problem specifically with the animations included in that one tail.

[6:31:14 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Well, okay, let me rephrase. Bento Animations seem to, from the to be fair limited example, I didn't go in-depth to study it, auto splay the fingers, even though other animations tell them to do differently.
[6:31:41 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: But it is possible that for some reason, the hands were tagged to be animated when they shouldn't have been yes
[6:32:20 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: I suspect it's just the tail's animations, not Bento animations in general. Both of us need to do more testing to confirm either way though, yeah.
[6:32:31 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: The person that made the tail exclusively uses mesh avatars.That's another good point. While I no longer make animations, and never really made them for sale unless I was putting that pose directly in an item of furniture that I also made, I made them using the standard system layer. Now I'm mostly mesh. Does that affect animations? Aren't animations still made using the basic system avatar rigging?[6:33:12 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: That still means no bento for anyone who isn't.

[6:33:24 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Because I am wondering if it's even possible to not animate the hands.
[6:34:09 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: If I'm right it doesn't mean that at all. If you're right it does.
[6:34:36 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Well the issue is, I have a limited selection of things to test, but the ones I have tested all affect fingers.
[6:34:41 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: In different ways though!
[6:34:51 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: So it's likely, yes, just how they set the hands to be when uploading.
[6:35:10 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Which is, perhaps, the problem, and would still, yes if I'm right, mean no Bento for non-mesh hand users.Hmm. That could be a problem, too.

[6:35:20 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Why?
[6:35:29 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Because it'll make the fingers act *stupid*.
[6:36:05 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: If one is okay with their hands being stuck in whatever pose the bento animation uploaded, cool, but meh.
[6:36:27 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: If it's affecting LL hands in different ways, then it's likely the people making the animations doing something wrong. There's quite likely a way to just make the hands act normal when uploading an animation that includes Bento bones.
[6:36:42 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Well, we will see! I'm hoping.
[6:38:28 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: So far, Aii's Tail, 10 Min tail, Fatewear's Cloak.

So a whole bunch of demos, effectively. I should follow up on this, ask him if it's still happening.
[6:38:38 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: All of them affect hand positions no matter what.

[6:39:07 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: What happens if you pull the animations out, and just play them?
[6:39:10 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Without wearing the item.
[6:39:51 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Same thing, it is the animation, no doubt.
[6:44:24 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Well, there's that, at least.Yeah. It does confirm that it's an animation issue, not a Bento-specific issue.

[6:45:22 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: I mean, I think I haven't...STOP FLASHING FIRESTORM...or didn't properly explain it. The issue is what I thought it was when I first mentioned it. I still consider that a Bento bug, if for some reason the Bento animations will override hand animations with no way to stop that.
[6:53:24 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: And since I have mesh hands for Maitreya, the only 'problem' will be purely my male avatars that don't have gloves.
[6:57:00 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: But if it's just an animation issue, and not a Bento Rigging conflict issue (which you never proposed but I had assumed at first), then I don't get why it would force hands into specific situations. It seems you could just... not animate the hands. Bingo bango. I don't get how or why that would screw up! But it's possible it did, and since it will animate the hands no matter what, Bento animation creators have to choose what hand position to put an LL avatar's hands into for their product.
[6:57:05 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: I assume most will choose neutral.

Which means splayed fingers.
[6:58:23 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Apparently, you can't, at least, if you can, Bento may override that, due to needing higher priority, or becuse of a glitch. But it is an animation issue that does seem, at least slightly, related to Bento, or, at the very least, will become *much* more prevelant with Bento in a way it may not have been when it was a temp thing when wearing doll-huggers.

[7:02:47 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Doll huggers forced your hands into being in a certain animation?
[7:03:04 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: I don't know!
[7:03:10 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: I never looked/cared enough to test.
[7:03:13 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Now I sort of do.Me too! I'll look through what I have for dolls and/or toy-hugging animations.
[7:03:25 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: I imagine it would be intentional though, with them.

[7:03:32 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Splayed hands would look weird while hugging a doll.
[7:03:54 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Hugs tend to make hands move in controlled fashions, so making sure they animate a specific way would be fine.
[7:07:38 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Well, then it'd go back to "Bento animations are going to make this issue more obvious/annoying"
[7:08:07 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: But, so long as they don't use the Splayed position, it won't be *too* bad, like the Aii tail's animations did.
[7:08:50 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Hopefully it will be fine enough until we can all upgrade to mesh avatars, anyway.
[7:08:51 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: If that ever happens. Yeah, really.
[7:09:22 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: I'm feeling unless you can accept No-Mod or accept not great looking/supported Avs, it won't.

[7:09:41 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Unless one of us gets really good at Modeling suddenly
[7:11:02 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: I can't accept no-mod. I teeter between not great but decent looking avatars and just uninstalling SL, on my acceptability scale.
[7:12:06 PM] Fxxxxx Axxxx: Yeah, I can't blame you, just ugh at the market.
[9:20:02 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: http://screenrant.com/gotham-city-sirens-megan-fox-poison-ivy/
[9:20:06 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Oh goodness, I hope not.
[9:42:38 PM] Pxxxx Nxxx: eh. after suicide squad, how much worse could Megan make things?
[9:47:06 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Well, she won't redeem it.
[9:47:19 PM] xXxxXxX Rxxxxxxx: Also, not a redhead.
[9:47:35 PM] Pxxxx Nxxx: those don't existRedheads? Bite your tongue, we do too exist.

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every kid knows they'll just throw this stuff away

June 30, 2017, 11:02 pm

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≪ Previous: I walk 47 miles of barbed wire

Omigosh, ALL the Hair Fair demos dropped today. So I'm going to be busy for a while...

"Calania" from EMO-tions. A simple updo shown in my token reds, this tone "Crimson".

"Dessia" is pretty, I might be tempted to get it. Shown in "Darkblonde" from the Blondes hud.

"Lulu" shown in "Mahogany" from the Brunettes hud. Comes with detachable beads in a simple pearl tone, or a silver metal version.

And "Tragedy", a short, pixie cut shown in "Mint" from the Pastels hud.

You'll be able to find EMO-tions on Redhead at Hair Fair.

From .EscalateD. we get "Jaina" in "Knallbunt":

"Kara" in "Dunkelbunt":

"Lauren" in "Astral":

And "Lizzy" in "Inferno":

You'll be able to find .EscalateD. on the Noirette sim at Hair Fair.

More shots coming! And this year's going to be rushed; I just don't have TIME with all the demos to cover each one in-depth. Apologies for that, and for the fact that this is likely part one of two thousand.

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I keep on having this dream inside the static

July 1, 2017, 5:13 pm

≫ Next: find out what you want, be that girl for a month

≪ Previous: every kid knows they'll just throw this stuff away

Today, we're starting with En VOGUE, which can be found on the Brunette sim at Hair Fair.

This is "Lorelay", a twin-tail braided style, shown with the over-the-ear hair wisps. The color's not named, but it's a rich crimson-y red from the Dark Colors hud.

"Netty", a low wrapped bun, in a darkish blonde from the Dark Blondes hud.

This is "Ramona", shown in a copper-penny tone from the Diversity colors hud.

And "Rosalinda", shown in a coppery scarlet from the Dark Reds hud.

Not shown: "Dianne", because the actual hair demo didn't unpack with the rest of the huds.

This is "Hotline" from #Foxy, shown in the copper-orange fade from their Natural Ombres hud. No, the cap does not detach, but it does come with eleven colors and fourteen different patches, or a no-patch option, so...if you like ballcaps and long hair, this is your thing?

This is "Vixen", shown in a dark auburn from the Reds hud.

Not shown: "Zeke". #Foxy can be found on the Blonde sim at Hair Fair.

This is Argrace's "Mikage", with attached towel. I'm showing it in a sort of ash-brown tone on the towel, and Red 5 from the hud included.

This is "Shimizu", and it is a very specific hair. But, it's also a hair I haven't seen anything for, so if you need a hair with shampoo bubbles and a built-in animation? Argrace has you covered. Shown in Blacks 4.

This is "Suiu", and I'm sensing a theme. Shown in the pink towel wrap, and Coppers 2.

And this is "Yakumo", a short, tousled style shown in Light Browns 1.

I'm not going to get through everything this year, either. I'm just going to pick and choose the ones I really want to try. You can see the rest of the styles in designer photos on the Hair Fair blog.

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find out what you want, be that girl for a month

July 1, 2017, 9:42 pm

≫ Next: and I walked a thousand miles to prove it

≪ Previous: I keep on having this dream inside the static

We're starting things off with Analog Dog.

This is "Hyacinth", shown in the tenth shade of red from the Dark Reds hud.

This is "Ima" in the first shade from the Dark Browns hud.

This is "Network" in the tenth shade from the Splash hud.

You can find Analog Dog on the Redhead sim at Hair Fair.

Next up: Fabia! This is "Alesta" in a mid-aqua from the Unnaturals Colors hud.

This is "Rob", shown in a sparky red from the Color Pack Natural hud.

This is "Tara", shown in a penny-lilac ombre tone from the Multicolors hud.

And this is "Clarisa", shown in a bright copper tone from the Natural hud.

You can find Fabia on the Blonde sim at Hair Fair.

This is Stealthic's "Genesis" in a sort of burgundy/wine shade from the Misc hud. Keep in mind that if the maker didn't include an alpha layer, I haven't been generally wearing one.

This is "Paradox" in a strawberry-ash blonde tone from the Blonde hud. Also keep in mind these are Bento-rigged hairs. I have a mesh body (Maitreya), but I still use a system head. I don't know if that makes a difference, but I'd suspect it does because of the issues.

And this is "Persephone" in a rich scarlet from the Red hud.

You can find Stealthic on the Blonde sim at Hair Fair.

And keep in mind, there are two cam sims this year, to avoid the lag--Foils, for the Blonde and Brunette sims, and Streaks, for Noirette and Brunette. Happy shopping!

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and I walked a thousand miles to prove it

July 2, 2017, 1:40 pm

≫ Next: it keeps on screaming for release

≪ Previous: find out what you want, be that girl for a month

We're starting with Imeka, and their "Amelia" demo, shown here in a bright carrot from the Naturals hud.

This is "Babbs" with an attached headband (the lighter purple strip), shown in a deep purple from the Colors hud.

And this is "Mandy", shown in a black/red ombre from the Ombres hud.

You can find Imeka on the Brunette sim at Hair Fair.

Next is Discord Designs, and this is "Flo", a dread updo style, shown in Discord Red with the included red hairbase.

Oh, I like this one. This is "London" in Discord Red, it comes with the bandana (which can be tinted thirty different ways on a separate hud).

And this is "Senay", and somehow, changing hairbases from the Discord Red to the black removed my lipstick. Woe!

It's shown in a really, really deep blue tone.

Discord Designs is on Noirette at the Hair Fair.

Dread ponies? This is Eliment's "Japan", shown in a black-to-light-brown ombre tone.

This is "Jasmine", shown in a basic bright red.

And this is "Lanna", shown in a wheat blonde tone.

You can find Eliment on the Brunette sim at Hair Fair.

Next is Astrology, Alice Project's new brand, and this is "Amora" tinted in a dark brown with rainbow streaks from the Essentials hud.

This is "Heosu", in a black with mid-blue streaks from the Color Fun hud. No alpha layer was included, so I wasn't wearing one for this shot.

This is "Heosu II", shown in a red/purple ombre from the Dark hud. Tracked down an Alice Project alpha layer, didn't seem to help that much.

This is "Kirsten", in a platinum and teal ombre, from the Light hud. Still with the alpha layer.

And this is "Sabine", shown in a mid-ginger tone from the Medium hud. Took the alpha layer off again, no difference.

You can find Astrology on the Blonde sim at Hair Fair.

And keep in mind, there are two cam sims this year, to avoid the lag--Foils, for the Blonde and Brunette sims, and Streaks, for Noirette and Brunette. Happy shopping!

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it keeps on screaming for release

July 2, 2017, 3:18 pm

≫ Next: in hope the tide will grant me stay

≪ Previous: and I walked a thousand miles to prove it

This is "Kasumi" from Ayame Ame, in tone 6 from the Brown/Red hud.

This is "Nejiri", using the provided hairbase to match tone 1 from the Blonde/Beige hud. Why don't they match?

This is "Tozashi", in the deep navy tone from the Essentials hud.

And this is "Tsugai", in the lime tone from the Nippon Colors I hud. I really like the braid-buns on this style, but I'm not crazy about the bowl-cut bangs, sadly.

You can find Ayame Ame on the Redhead sim at Hair Fair.

Next up, Mina, with "Emma", in tone 5 from the Reds hud.

This is "Fiona" in the third tone from the Dip Dye hud.

And this is "Luna" in the last tone from the Pastels hud.

You can find Mina also on the Redhead sim at Hair Fair.

This is Wasabi Pill's short flip "Camille". The attached bows come in sixteen solid colors and four patterns (two polka dots, two ginghams).

This is "Elle", in the third tone from Fireworks (the Roots menu). The attached hair bands come in sixteen different solid colors.

And this is "Sienna", in...I now forget, but it's a blended red/black tone from the Lunar hud. I think tone 3?

You can find Wasabi Pills on the Blonde sim at Hair Fair.

Lastly, Limerence, and their long, wavy style "Jess". This is in a sort of peachy light red tone from their All natural set hud.

This is "Kate", shown in a mid-blue tone from the Colour set hud.

And this is "Laila", shown in the ninth, brown-to-red-shift tone from the Ombre set hud. There aren't set colors for the hair bands, just an RGB picker, but it's pretty easy to use.

You can find Limerence on the Redhead sim at Hair Fair.

And keep in mind, there are two cam sims this year, to avoid the lag--Foils, for the Blonde and Brunette sims, and Streaks, for Noirette and Brunette. Happy shopping!

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in hope the tide will grant me stay

July 2, 2017, 2:01 pm

≫ Next: I'm not gonna be Mercy, I'm not gonna be any kind of support

≪ Previous: it keeps on screaming for release

Today, we start with Bliensen & Maitai's "Balboa" turban style, shown in a bright orange-red tone from the Reds hud. The bottom of the hud comes with fifteen colors and two metals for the turban, and comes with built-in resizing options for the hair itself. Neat.

This is "Chained", in a gingery blonde from the Blonds hud. The inset image is the actual 'chain' for the style. The hud will tint it silver (shown) or gold.

And this is "Grimhild", with the battle-axe hairpins, in a brilliant scarlet. I'm pretty sure there's no way to change the metals on the hairpins, though. Sad.

You can find Bliensen & Maitai on Noirette.

This is "Cashew" shown in a strawberry-and-platinum ombre tone from the Variety hud.

This is "Hazelnut" in the deepest of reds from the Reds hud.

And this is "Almond" shown in a mid-tone from the Browns hud.

You can find Mithral Apothecary on the Redhead sim at Hair Fair.

This is LCKY's "Jaime", a short pixie cut, in peacock tones from the Neutral II hud. No alpha layer was included, so I'm not wearing one, and this style, at least on me, needs an alpha layer.

This is "Karrie", in several pink, wine and red tones from the Rose hud.

And this is "Zana", shown in a purple/lime overdye from the Acid hud.

You can find LCKY on the Brunette sim at Hair Fair.

Ayashi's next, and this is "Akihiko", an improbably anime unisex style shown in a deep grape tone.

This is "Riya", and I think I want this one--it's a very long style with cat ears, shown here in a bright mauve tone, and keep in mind, the cat ears can be hidden if you don't want them.

And this is "Yuzu", a wavy high ponies style, in a deep teal with teal and pink bows. (The color hud for the bows doesn't work, but it will show you the variety of patterns/colors that the actual hair has.

You can find Ayashi on the Blonde sim at Hair Fair.

And keep in mind, there are two cam sims this year, to avoid the lag--Foils, for the Blonde and Brunette sims, and Streaks, for Noirette and Brunette. Happy shopping!

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I'm not gonna be Mercy, I'm not gonna be any kind of support

July 3, 2017, 1:28 pm

≫ Next: where the weeping flowers hide

≪ Previous: in hope the tide will grant me stay

We start with Zibska, who frequently designs things for aliens, and "Metis" is no exception. This is shown in white and red tones, and seems to just be variously sized spheres.

This is "Aoede", in white. ...I got nothin'.

This is "Hegemone", sort of a...modern carved beehive? Shown in a very dark brown.

This is "Sinope", a series of outward-pointing cones, in white.

And finally, "Thebe", a wave to end all waves, shown in dark brown.

You can find Zibska on the Noirette sim at Hair Fair.

Next up, "Oakley" from Blues, shown in a rose gold tone from the Naturals 2 hud.

This is "Olivia" shown in a deep cobalt from the Colors 2 hud, and a pale blue on the bows from the included accessories hud (all the tones are pastels for the bows).

Not shown: "Ordinary", because apparently I forgot to take the picture. Oops.

You can find Blues on the Blonde sim at Hair Fair.

Next is Gorgeous Dolls, and their...ponytail?...style called "Foxy Gyal", shown in a brown-to-pale-red ombre from the Sweet Glamour w/Roots hud.

This is "Gloria", shown in a sort of...black to ash lilac?...from the Brazilian Bundles hud.

This is "Maddie", shown in a rich, deep red from the Naturals w/Roots hud.

This is "Pam", a spunky razor bob, shown in a rich blonde with overdyed roots from the Sweet Glamour w/Roots hud.

And this is "Zara", shown in a streaky red and black from the Naturals w/Roots hud.

You can find Gorgeous Dolls on the Brunette sim at Hair Fair.

Last is Runaway, with "Aschera", shown in a foxtail blonde-to-coppery-red ombre from the Ombres & Roots hud.

This is "Cherry", shown in a solid mid-brown tone from the Browns hud. Still not crazed over ballcap hair, but this one comes with nine different styles/patterns, including a solid pink hat that says "CUTE BUT PSYCHO". I've always been fond of that phrase.

This is "Ellie" in a very nice digital cyan from the Colorful hud, and it comes with a styling menu.

And this is "Nicole", shown in a bright, rich red from the Reds hud.

You can find Runaway on the Blonde sim at Hair Fair.

And keep in mind, there are two cam sims this year, to avoid the lag--Foils, for the Blonde and Brunette sims, and Streaks, for Noirette and Brunette. Happy shopping!

And...that's it, that's all I'm covering. Now, to RL moving, followed by digital excavations, turning the Photobucket hostage pic links back into active picture links. Joy.

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where the weeping flowers hide

August 3, 2017, 4:52 pm

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≪ Previous: I'm not gonna be Mercy, I'm not gonna be any kind of support

things fall apart, the centre cannot hold...

a shape with lion body and the head of a man...

Da mihi de te solliciti. Obsecro, ubi es?

(The two lines are of course from The Second Coming by William Yeats, written in 1919.)

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running my hands along your edges

August 12, 2017, 4:30 pm

≫ Next: I rode a lion to town, use a rattlesnake whip

≪ Previous: where the weeping flowers hide

It's taken me some time to figure out how to say this. I won't lie that I felt extremely angry over this, and was lashing blame in several directions, though never to any of the folks I truly feel are, at least partially, responsible. I've calmed down since, but the embers are still there. What I'm going to say hurts...and deeply. And it didn't have to hurt at all. That's the thing that galls most, I think.

(An aerial overview of a section of Armada.)

This was part of the build in progress. Yes, the air was thick with the smells of drying fish and diesel, but it was still pleasant to walk the various docks and rope bridges, stopping in at myriad tea shops along the way. Saying hello to passing citizenry. All gone into the mists.

(Another view from a slightly different angle, of Armada.)

The floating circus tent off to the left was a meeting hall for residents. Inside could be found a center rotunda from which to air grievances, and surrounding the main floor were risers, for those who wished to sit, with the outer ring comprised of booths that sold fruit-sweetened drinks, popped grains of various kinds, strips of fish jerky and rough ales. This, too, disappeared when Armada did.

(A shot taken in murky waters underneath the bay, of the old Armadan rotunda.)

Underneath the waters could be found the lost ships that didn't make the whole of the journey, and the ruins of the first rotunda, sinking slowly into the shifting sea bottom. They are all gone, now, too.

(Archduke Hiro Shatner, in happier times..)

And what of the Duke himself? Well, for a variety of reasons (chiefly to do with the motiver behind the glass), he is kept far from the grid, but not some small part must be laid at the feet of the complainants against Armada. The reason he allowed it to dissolve back into the mists in the first place was because he could not stand the dunning missives, the angry IMs, the cavalcade of stampading dissent against him, the sim of Armada in the first place, against what he chose to build.

After months of verbal abuse, he finally could not take another negative word, and it was easier for him to cease its growing life than to fight for it. I do not blame him; I do blame those who spoke against it so vociferously that the only way to end stress from that quadrant, he thought, was to let the dream go.

And what about the denizens of Armada-now-dissolved? I didn't think to ask at the last moment of contact with the Archduke, but many of them were specifically programmed to do their duties on Armada itself. What happens to them?

Like this skyship piloteer. Where have they gone? Have they been packaged up and moved to Gearhaven? But Gearhaven as a whole uses much less complex robotic servitors, so...where do the elite units like this go?

I may have more pictures, I'll keep looking. But I hadn't made it a priority to take a great many, because I was waiting for the grand opening. I wanted to announce Armada, had every plan to...and now, like every other precious thing on the grid that's gone away, it's disappeared into the digital mist. All because certain people could not stand the reclaiming of a dream not theirs.

We dream, we build, we pull our fancies into virtual reality. Isn't that the point? We won't agree with everything people built--just on my own small count, I received literally dozens, if not hundreds, of complaints on my various structures, in nearly every sim I've lived in. Part of it is that I'm not the best builder, and I admit that. But part of it is, what wants to crawl out of my head into reality doesn't agree with more than a few people.

I accept that, for the most part. But even I am not immune to criticism. I'm eleven years on the grid now, and I have had exactly one Rez Day party, because of how terrifyingly badly the first one went. Eleven years gone, some of the participants at that party having long left the grid, and it's still a scar on my soul. I may never be able to have another Rez Day party again.

I don't say that to elicit sympathy, or fish for compliments. I'm trying to make the point that that is one instance of a thing that changed me, changed my behavior on the grid. It took some of the luster out of a particular tradition, because of what one single person chose to say.

So how much more so when the complaints mount up? When they're paired with accusations of theft, misconduct, plagiarism--none of which are true? When they result in people complaining to other sim owners, sim owners that have nothing to do with a separate sim entirely? How much more does the stress increase when it's not just one person disapproving, but dozens? And over and over and over again, every single time he logs in?

Here's how bad it got--again, I am naming no specific names, but four individuals (that I've been able to verify) spoke to my direct superior at Sakura House, warning her against my involvement with the Duke. As courtesans, all we really have are our words and our reputations, as t'were, to stand on. And here were four voices dripping poison into her ears, out of 'concern', out of 'worry', that I was somehow traipsing off with a huckster and would abandon my House.

Why plant those sorts of doubts in someone who has control over whether I stay at Sakura or are forced out? Perhaps, to put even more pressure on the Archduke, an extremely underhanded and dishonorable style of attack indeed. But now we are here. Regardless of who and why, we have lost Armada, again, and I, at least, will mourn for its passing.

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I rode a lion to town, use a rattlesnake whip

August 14, 2017, 2:29 pm

≫ Next: hatred has no place in Caledon (part I)

≪ Previous: running my hands along your edges

(This poster of Olivia Wilde was drawn by Shephard Fairey for the ACLU fundraising campaign of the same name.)

Ran across this image and the following passage, reproduced below, on someone's profile.

"Most Americans want a great, kind and strong democracy. We got lazy - we got fussy. Not enough voted. Not enough acted.

"Get active. Pick any good cause, this is one of mine. Planned Parenthood. Or send some candy hearts to the Badlands National Park Service! Anything, small or large. Get together and organize!

"A catastrophe for America and the world is unfolding and we must stop it. Get in with love, and get to work.

And look, cynicism as a response to everything is an immature person's idea of sophistication, and a small-minded habit of otherwise smart people. It's cheap. It's easy. It's BORING. It demoralizes the people we most need. Hawk that dollar store plastic cutlery set elsewhere."

I felt it needed to be said. I'll also add this, and urge anyone who has the funds and a desire to help to send help - financial preferred, but even notes of support are tangible things--to one or more of the organizations listed in that article, to help the affected in Charlottesville.

Fight against the darkness. There are things you can do. Do them.

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hatred has no place in Caledon (part I)

August 17, 2017, 11:54 pm

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This is going to be in several parts, but I can't stand back and not cover this. Because this is ridiculous privilege on an insane level.

Also, I made the choice not to anonymize Desmond Shang, because as soon as the rest of the chat mentions Caledon, he'll effectively be named anyway.

[21:57] Desmond Shang: ok, about to do an announcement
[21:57] Desmond Shang: if anyone's interested.

Des, for those who may be new to the blog, owns the Independent States of Caledon.

[21:57] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: O.O
[21:57] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: I am
[21:57] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: cries gloom and doom!
[21:57] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the skye is falling
[21:57] Desmond Shang: I'm sorry we didn't have much of a public discussion about changes as we normally do
[21:57] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: we have discussions?
[21:57] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: makes a note

Actually, quite a few policy decisions have been hashed out in ISC chat over the years. It's not an everyday thing, but it has happened.

[21:57] Desmond Shang: but this one, I think people will understand ~ I've got to make the call and stick to it.
[21:58] Desmond Shang: well ti's been ages since we had anything like this.
[21:58] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: oh no!
[21:58] Desmond Shang: looks like you will be the only one on chat to hear it :)
[21:58] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: no there are others out there
[21:58] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Oh?
[21:58] Cxxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Meep
[21:58] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: see.
[21:58] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: I'm here
[21:59] Desmond Shang: a couple others
[21:59] Ixxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I'm here
[21:59] sxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx): I'm listening
[21:59] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: puts on her rabbit ears
[21:59] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the rabbit gave a good fight
[21:59] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: before i got them off
[21:59] Desmond Shang: this was a long time coming, I'm afraid... anyway, here goes.
[22:00] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: your the boss
[22:00] Pxxxxx Rxxxxxx: WHAT?!?!
[22:01] Bxxx Pxxxxxxx: I am on too, and I say HEAR, HEAR! I applaud the decision.

This makes it sound like he'd sent the notice, but I didn't receive it until the time mentioned below. But these do seem to be reactions to that notice.

[22:01] Pxxxxx Rxxxxxx: FINE, I'm LEAVING THE GROUP! THAT IS OFFENSIVE TO WHO I AM AND WHERE I CHOOSE TO LIVE!!!

Well, now I'm just confused. Is she seriously talking about leaving Caledon over...a flag?? I don't get it.

[22:01] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: maby we should just say alright and moveon
[22:01] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: The Govnah has spoken
[22:01] Pxxxxx Rxxxxxx: Too many Sheeple
[22:01] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: *sigh*
[22:02] Pxxxxx Rxxxxxx: You allow non inclusive arabic names and such, but not My flag?!?
[22:02] Pxxxxx Rxxxxxx: Farewell Caledon

Is she...kidding? I really hope she's kidding.

[22:02] Bxxx Pxxxxxxx: Oh dear, And I was just about to wonder if it really was an issue here, Caledon being the tolerant and accepting state that it is.
[22:03] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: It is NOT your flag, since the CSA doesn't exist anymore, OUR flag is the stars and stripes. Which I don't fly in Caledon, because....hello Caledon!
[22:03] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Sorry people, but He is the owner, it's his house, he gets to choose what is and isn't allowed in his house...
[22:03] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I never had any desire to fly a confederate flag in Caledon... until I was told I could not.

That's just being contrary for the sake of being contrary. Why?

[22:06] Desmond Shang: I think now, some of you may be experiencing the sort of flak and feelings I've been dealing with daily for a while.
[22:06] Lxxx Sxxxxx can imagine, and doesn't want to.
[22:06] Lxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I agree, Des. Thank you.
[22:07] Lxxx Sxxxxx: RL is crazier than SL at this point.
[22:07] Desmond Shang: After 12 years of it, and last week, that was pretty much it.
[22:07] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: (heck I'd fly the caledon flag from my cabin cruiser but it's a MODERN cabin cruiser)
[22:07] Cxxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Wouldn't stop me, Ms. [CC]!
[22:07] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Ms. [CC], never stopped me (LOL)
[22:08] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxx: Were there a lot of Confederate flags flying in Caledon? I had to deal with this years ago when I owned New Toulouse.
[22:09] Cxxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: As for that "non-inclusive Arabic name" remark, that was directed at me over our rebuilding efforts. I see it didn't go as deep as I thought it did - at this point, I think Miss [P]'s basically lost all of her credibility with me.

As I mentioned in a previous article, the naming of Mondrago-risen has been an issue of some note. Though now I'm wondering about the 'non-inclusive' name reference, because Mondrago is not, and never has been, Caledon. So what does she actually mean?

[22:09] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Seeing as we were based on New Orleans. And St John is too, although it's never been an issue here.
[22:09] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: isn't Mondrago like Al-Andalus but meditteranean?
[22:10] Kxxxxxx Hxxxxxxxx has one look at the notice, laughs, and goes to make the biggest bowl of popcorn in years.
[22:10] Cxxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Yes, in fact, judging from the name, I'd say Al-Andalus wouldn't have been very far from our successive Balearic city-states.
[22:10] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: New Tolouse said no last year
[22:11] Cxxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: The Republic of Cala Mondrago has always been somewhere off the eastern coast of Spain.
[22:11] Gxxxxxxx Rxxxx: I had already said no when I owned it in 2012. ;-)
[22:11] Cxxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Avoid wars you can't win, and never raise your flag for an asinine cause like slavery. :)
[22:12] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: OK we need to stop now.
[22:12] Cxxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Sorry, [Axxxxx].

Then the notice--at least, for me and some others--came out.

[22:12] Desmond Shang:
Group Notice Sent by: Desmond Shang
Rare Caledon covenant change from Des.
It's pretty rare the Caledon covenant changes (it has been YEARS) but there will be a change. In short: no Confederate flags.

There is probably an appropriate venue for discussion of the fine points of 'why' or 'why not' vis a vis the Confederate flag, but in short, that venue isn't here in Caledon. This has been a pernicious issue here for years, and I've tried to be as patient as possible, but after the RL events of last week... it's time.

Des

I think that pretty much says it all, doesn't it? Well...not for some.

[22:12] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: So... back to the eclipse

And...that should have been where it ended. But...no, of course it didn't end there.

[22:13] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I think it is something to have a discussion about.

According to Des, he's been dealing with this issue since Caledon launched, so believe me, all relevant discussion has likely already occurred.

[22:13] axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It is done
[22:13] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Kind of funny, it's happening the day before a doctors appointment I have had schedualed for like a year and a half
[22:15] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: They asked me if i could remember it. I said well it's the day after a major eclipse... I'll remember that when the lights go out and come back on... I should get my eyes checked... lol
[22:15] axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: :-)
[22:28] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Would anyone like to come to my lighthouse and see my confederate flag flying high over the tower?

No.

[22:29] NNxxxx Sxxxxxxx: *sigh* and people wonder why the world is less than it was... here it is
[22:29] Sxxx Fxxxxxxxx: geez
[22:29] axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: waves at skye.
[22:29] Sxxx Fxxxxxxxx waves unhappily back
[22:30] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: If Desmond is going to pull the free expression part of the Caledon Covenant, I at least want a reduction in my rent.

You won't get it. Because you can always leave and live elsewhere.

[22:30] Sxxx Fxxxxxxxx: I'm quite stunned....
[22:31] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Nobody wants to come see the stars and bars flying over Stormhold?

Nope.

[22:31] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: It's almost like... no one cares?

After Charlottesville? No, I think the problem is that many of us started to care, where we didn't before (and joined the rest of us who have cared for a great while). We are not supporting neo-Nazis and rebranded white nationalists. As a teacher on Twitter said, you cannot be a patriotic American and a Nazi. Because we fought a literal war over it. The whole world participated.

[22:31] Sxxx Fxxxxxxxx: you don't wanna get me started, [Exxxxxxxx]
[22:31] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Hmm...
[22:31] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: It's not freedom of expression, you are flying the flag of someone who was an enemy of the United States... *sigh* As a Veteran, and someone who faught in a war, this right here pisses me off...
[22:31] Sxxx Fxxxxxxxx: I hate it when rl dribbles into sl like that
[22:32] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I did not start it.
[22:32] Sxxx Fxxxxxxxx: me either - I'm originally a yank
[22:32] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: But its here now. The Governor brought it in.

Yes. Des brought it in. Do you know why he brought it in, Miss [Pxxxxx]? Because of PEOPLE LIKE YOU who refuse to listen to reason. He's fought this battle for years now, and after Charlottesville, he cannot continue the controversy on his lands. He is saying no. It is his right to say no. You don't have to live in Caledon. You can live elsewhere.

[22:32] Sxxx Fxxxxxxxx: but I still think the thing is pointless
[22:32] Sxxx Fxxxxxxxx hangs up
[22:32] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: IT'S HIS PLACE! HE MAKES THE RULES!

Precisely. Why are you bucking the system, Miss [Pxxxxx]?

[22:34] Nxxxx Rxxx: Personally I think the Covenant should read ONLY steamlands flags, or only caledon flags
[22:34] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: [Nxxxxx], I agree.
[22:35] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Freedom of expression says you can rip up a picture of the Pope, too. It doesn't say anybody has to like you after you do it.
[22:38] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: This is a hot issue in RL today. and people are acting, in my opinion, all Salem Witch Trials. Of course slavery is disgusting but why not fix today's evils - like imprisoned sex workers.
[22:38] Bxxx Pxxxxxxx: [Nxxxx], I kind of like that idea, because it cuts out RL entirely.
[22:38] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Sure looks pretty up there... Not quite flapping in the breeze because I don't know how to do flexi-prims, but you get the idea.

I, for one, really don't. Feel free to paper the inside of your skybox with Confederate flags, if you wish, but keeping it up, publically displayed, after Des has stated firmly that no Confederate flags will be allowed...that's less standing up for freedom of speech, Miss [Pxxxxx], and more like a tiny chimpanzee flinging poo. It's definitely showing poor manners, at best, and at worst, deliberately trying to test Des' control. It won't work.

[22:40] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: [Mxxx], while I agree with you, people who keep sex slaves aren't walking into clergy conferences and beating them up, they aren't marching to incite riots, and they aren't ramming their cars into innocent people...
[22:40] Desmond Shang: I'm going to point something out, just to be totally clear.
[22:40] Desmond Shang: Free speech, USA style, literally includes Nazi flags.
[22:42] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Funny thing, in Germany, a free democracy of sorts, if you fly that flag, or Nazi salute, you will get beat up, and arrested...
[22:42] Desmond Shang: Quite frankly, I'm not going to blow up Caledon over a 'cause' ~ not this one. I had people demand free expression over child avatars too. I'm done with this one.
[22:42] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Arrested.
[22:43] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Yes, arrested...
[22:43] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: yep, considering what happened they take Nazi expression VERY seriously.
[22:43] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I can kind of understand where they are coming from. Clearly as a nation, after starting two world wars, Germany doesn't have the maturity or self-control to deal with that sort of thing.

Maturity and...self...control...Miss [Pxxxxx], are you TRYING to piss people off?

[22:43] Desmond Shang: [Exxxxxxxx], I'm a jew. just fyi.
[22:43] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: I wouldn't say that, they might think that they are being mature by dealing with it the way they are.
[22:44] Cxxxxxxxxxxx Fxx jew-high-fives Desmond
[22:44] Desmond Shang: good night, all.

And with that, Des of the massive storeholds of patience, had potentially reached his breaking point. He left rather than wallow in the conversation that followed.

What can I say? I'm a wallower.

[22:44] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Most Germans don't understand why we allow the confederate flag...
[22:44] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Oh. Did you know that the Secretary of State of the Confederacy was a jew?
[22:44] Cxxxxxxxxxxx Fxx: Night Des :o
[22:44] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: good night Govnah
[22:44] Cxxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Goodnight, Guv!
[22:45] Cxxxxxxxxxxx Fxx: I just logged in. Looks like I missed a chat!
[22:45] Bxxx Pxxxxxxx: Goodnight guv
[22:45] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: They did not hate jews

No? Jews were also targeted for late-night runs of men in white hoods. They generally weren't left lynched on the trees, though. They were simply beaten, shot, and buried, so their families never knew what happened.

But you are right in that, during the Civil War, they needed staunch fighting men on their side. So Judah Benjamin, a strong supporter of slavery, was elected to the office. He was the first Jew to be elected to the State Senate who had not renounced the faith.

But, Miss [Pxxxxx], where you're dead-on wrong is that the Confederate flag you seem so determined to fight for wasn't adopted as a symbol during, or even just after, the Civil War. It was widely adopted between the mid-1930s and the 1940s by so-called 'white supremacist' groups, that vowed that anyone darker of skin would never be comfortable in their 'modern' South.

What began as a regiment's charge became a racist symbol, and that symbol, like the swastika, cannot be reclaimed.

(Continued in part two.)

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hatred has no place in Caledon (part II)

August 18, 2017, 1:07 am

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This was supposed to be continued directly from part one, but I think I lost a few lines, somehow. So we pick up from what remains.

[23:00] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I was leaving him alone.
[23:00] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Which is nothing compared to what 20s Berlin has to deal with ALL THE TIME. People come to be asses just because.
[23:00] Lxxx Sxxxxx: But now you're not.
[23:00] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: He changed the rules.

Did he? Really? After my trip to Oxbridge, reading through the extant notecard found on-site, I can't see where this policy conflicts with anything previously in the Covenant.

[23:00] Nxxxx Rxxx: He told me he would LOVE to be just a renter.
[23:00] Nxxxx Rxxx: That is his privelege.
[23:00] Lxxx Sxxxxx: He changed the rules, because he's the owner and he can do so.
[23:00] lxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I've booted several people from Oxbridge who showed up calling themseslves a Nazi or spouting any sort of hate speech. And will continue to do so.
[23:00] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: When someone does that at Oxbridge, their onsim expectancy reduces to about two seconds.
[23:00] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: nods.
[23:00] Lxxx Sxxxxx: If you don't want to live here under those rules, talk to him and get your money back.
[23:01] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: [Exxx], he owns the place, he makes the rules... why is it that if you own a region, people totally think it's ok to just ignore you and do what they please?

It's a good point. And Des is a gentler land baron than many--all he wants, truly, is for folks to obey the Lindens' rules, and his own limited ones. Stay in theme, be polite, try not to cause drama--done.

[23:01] Lxxx Sxxxxx: But if you're breaking a new rule just because it's a new rule, then you're just being a troll.
[23:01] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: All estate owners deal with this stuff. It's part of the "job". And long time estate owners can handle it. They would not still be estate owners if they couldn't.
[23:02] Lxxx Sxxxxx: This has become a bigger problem, and you're just jumping on to be part of the problem.
[23:02] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: The Ebil Land Barons have absolute authority and ..."The Forms Must Be Obeyed" ;-)
[23:02] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: It's odd, I am the head estate manager and head of security for Roclciffe University... and people come there all the time, see the rules and violate them while standing right there in front of the rules board... then get pissed when you tell them about it... *sigh*
[23:03] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I just looked at the Covenant. Teleported over to Oxbridge just for that. It hasn't been changed. Still has that nice long section on Freedom of Expression.

Right. Because flying a Confederate flag has NOTHING TO DO with free expression "Free expression" does not mean "governmentally guaranteed free speech".

Also, a notice sent by Des to update said Covenant supersedes the 'official' posted notice, because it is a living document, it can change. Wait a few days, I'm sure the language will be updated to include the ban.

[23:04] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: Same happens at Oxbridge, [Nxxxx]. Tell a vampire that being a vampire is okay, but no vamp role-play on the sim, they ignore that and get booted.
[23:04] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2015/07/second-life-confederate-battle-flag-linden-lab.html
[23:04] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: [Exxxxxxxx]....Don't....really just don't fight this...you will lose and feelings will be hurt....just don't.
[23:04] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: seems like Des is following LL community standards
[23:05] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Covenants get updated. It happens. Residents can choose to abide by the rules or to go to another estate with rules that are a better fit for them.
[23:07] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Or they can stand around saying "I dare you to kick me out!"
[23:07] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Which is not a very good thing to do.
[23:07] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Well, yes
[23:08] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Well people, I have to go to bed, I have an early VA appointment to go to... lets see if they get it right this time... ta ta for now all
[23:08] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Good luck
[23:08] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I hope he doesn't, but from tonight's conversation, it's clear that everyone hates me now for standing up for free expression, so what do I have to lose?

Your reputation? Your dignity? Any shred of self-respct you may have had?

[23:08] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I wish he would get on with it, though. It is already 1 am here.
[23:08] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Nobody hates you.
[23:09] Emilly Orr: We may be perplexed by your opinions, but we don't hate you.

Also, there are two major problems with your argument here, Miss [Pxxxxx]. First is, you're not standing up for free expression, because one, there is only the amount of free expression on a private virtual land that the estate owner--and, ultimately--the server owner--chooses to allow, as it is not a venue for free speech. And second, you're not standing up for free expression because flying a Confederate flag of any configuration, especially after Des has explicitly and clearly banned such, means you're standing for the values of your ancestors who originally chose that flag as their symbol, in the rise of the early civil rights movements, as a way to keep 'colored people' down and afraid of retaliation from whites. Is that really what you want to stand proudly behind?

[23:09] Lxxx Sxxxxx: And if you're waiting for him to log back in just to boot you, you're going to wait a lot.
[23:09] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: thanks Lady... apparently in service injuries ajust aren't what they used to be. lol
[23:09] Nxxxx Sxxxxxxx: [Exxx], don't hate you, don't even know you...
[23:09] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Nothing is anymore
[23:10] Lxxx Sxxxxx: We just don't agree with you.
[23:10] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: He logged out?
[23:10] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I would have thought he would at least boot me while I was here.

[[Note from the Editrix--Wait, I just caught this on the editing reread. I won't say all residents in Caledon are friended to Des, because I'm sure there are some outliers, but in general, if one maintains a Caledon residence, Des offers friendship.

[[Now, there are many reasons why Des would cease to be friends with anyone, and many of them are not sinister in the least--I still remember how Des discovered the thousand-friend cap that Linden Lab possessed at the time. However,, I think it's of note to point out here: Miss [Pxxxxx] didn't know that Des had already logged off. She is not on his friendslist.

[[Interesting.]]

[23:10] Lxxx Sxxxxx: He doesn't want to boot anybody.
[23:11] Emilly Orr: If you're talking Des, no he's offline.
[23:11] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: He'd rather not evict anyone.
[23:11] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: It might take a few days for him to update it on the sims. I think Caledon is divided into multiple (technical) estates. That's a lot of covenant updating.
[23:11] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: No. There is only one copy of the Covenant now. It is in Oxbridge
[23:11] Lxxx Sxxxxx: He switched to keeping the covenant on Oxbridge so he didn't have to update all of them.
[23:11] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: The rest of the sims just have a note saying go read that copy
[23:11] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: he is forgiving on tier (to a certain extent) he's forgiving on other issues...
[23:12] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: It makes it much easier for him.
[23:12] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Ahh - ok. That makes total sense.
[23:12] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: And for a while years ago the covenant was causing bad lag

Likely because it's a long and specific document. I can understand that.

[23:13] Lxxx Sxxxxx: But he doesn't want to boot you, or anybody else. He just wants you to follow the rules, as lenient as they still are.
[23:13] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx wonders what she missed

Soooo much. All the things.

[23:13] Nxxxx Rxxx: Yes. It was causing lag.
[23:13] Emilly Orr: Apparently a lot, I just logged in a short while ago.
[23:13] Emilly Orr sets off to try to find the covenant in Caledon.
[23:13] Nxxxx Rxxx: See Des's recent notice.
[23:13] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Caledon Oxbridge is where it is.
[23:14] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: click the land tab when you get to Oxbridge

And I did. Clear as day there. No changes that aren't already in like with Linden official policy. I'm baffled by this entire controversy.

[23:14] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Des has been getting complaints about Confederate flags, and so he logged in and said "Please don't do that."
[23:14] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: A change to the convenant.
[23:14] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ah
[23:14] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: *covenant
[23:14] Emilly Orr: Ah. Well, if that's all it is, I see no problem with it.
[23:14] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Not the convent ;-)
[23:14] Lxxx Sxxxxx: So, please don't do that. :P
[23:14] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: We need a convent here, too.
[23:15] Emilly Orr: We used to have a few, but they were...hmm. Convents of the original meaning?
[23:15] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Indeed
[23:15] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: just don't get into any dirty habits
[23:17] Lxxx Sxxxxx: A couple of years ago, I kept driving by a house in England with the Texas flag flying over it.
[23:17] Lxxx Sxxxxx: I thought... "Well that's something."
[23:17] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I just realized I had not been flying the proper flag until just now. I had the horizontal offset messed up on the back. It is now corrected.

I'm sure all the one of you is thrilled.

[23:18] Lxxx Sxxxxx: [Exxxxxxx], if you are really that insistent that you are going to fly that flag until you are kicked out, you are GOING to be kicked out.
[23:18] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: Don't play games of "chicken" with land baron's and EM's, you will lose.
[23:19] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Either that or just having it returned on a regular basis.
[23:19] Lxxx Sxxxxx: I'm not sure why you want to take a stand over something that has been building hate for at least 80 years.
[23:19] Lxxx Sxxxxx: It's not the flag's fault, but this will be yours.
[23:19] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Is there an EM online who would like to kick me out?
[23:20] Lxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: why are you so eager to be kicked out?
[23:20] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Because it will make them ... happy?

Why do you think so?

[23:20] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I am not. I want Desmond to rescind the rule change.

It won't. He won't change his mind.

[23:20] Nxxxx Rxxx: I gather her point is she resents the change in the Covenant because freedom of expression is very important to her. I don't think her chosen method of protest makes any sense because it will not only cause Des MORE headaches, but it will truly upset others who have nothing to do with the Covenant change.
[23:20] Lxxx Sxxxxx: He's not going to.
[23:21] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx kind of thinks that is not going to happen
[23:21] Lxxx Sxxxxx: He's spent a decade trying not to change it.
[23:21] Lxxx Sxxxxx: He's not going to unchange it for at least another decade.
[23:21] Lxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: seems to me that insisting on being kicked out is only going to make the rule more solidly in place after the fact
[23:21] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: as a Brit and an outside observer I would observe that there are much more important issues in the world to take a stand over than a war that has been over for more than 150 years
[23:21] sxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I agree

Exactly. This makes no sense.

[23:21] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: [Exxxxxxxx], a hypothetical, if I was an Ebil Land Baron with a rule against that flag and you said what you have been saying, I'd just evict ban right now.... I might refund your L$ in the meter, or not..... but I am not as....easygoing as some. I'm going to suggest again, to not play chicken with EM's and Land barons.
[23:23] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Des does not want to kick anyone out, and he does not want those flags. You are choosing to be kicked out, on purpose. So if you're that mad, then leave.
[23:23] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: If the war has been over for 150 years, why are people suddenly now refighting it? Do they think the Confederacy didn't lose hard enough the first time?

Apparently not, there's a bunch of Southern yahoos still insistening on flying this flag as part of their 'cultural heritage'.

[23:23] Emilly Orr: Miss [Pxxxxx], I doubt EMs or Des himself will kick you out. They will, likely, return your flag.
[23:23] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Apparently not, because the idiots waving it around now seem to think it gives them superpowers or something.
[23:24] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: I'm sorry, did you not see the people with flags saying things like "Jews will not replace us"?
[23:24] Emilly Orr: And chanting "Hail Victory"--which is what "Sieg Heil" means in English?
[23:24] Emilly Orr: Or throwing Nazi salutes? No, Charlottesville upped the game.
[23:24] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: and as some might put it "Jim Freaking Crow"
[23:24] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Ms [Pxxxxx], because of what the flag always meant and what its supports still believe it represents
[23:24] Emilly Orr: And Des has been having this fight, OVER and over, for YEARS now.
[23:25] Emilly Orr: It wasn't even the original flag of the Confederacy!
[23:25] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: That makes no sense. "Jews will not replace us"? Jews are less than 1% of the population. They were probably saying "you will not replace us"

Wow, you are a clueless block of ignorance. What would saying "You will not replace us" have fixed, or have made better? It was still a bunch of idiots threatening protesters with burning torches, yelling slurs and insults.

[23:25] Emilly Orr: It was adopted AFTER the war was over!
[23:25] lxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Hate doesn't go away easily.
[23:25] Lxxx Sxxxxx: No, they said both.
[23:25] Emilly Orr: There are recordings, Miss [Pxxxxx].
[23:25] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: I'm sorry, but I Heard it VERY clearly.
[23:25] Emilly Orr: They can clearly be heard.
[23:25] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: That makes no sense.

Maybe to you, but to anyone with an actual, functional creasining capacity it makes perfect sense.

[23:25] Lxxx Sxxxxx: They were yelling JEW on purpose.
[23:25] lxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Jews get the rap for a lot of things that don't make sense.
[23:25] Lxxx Sxxxxx: THEY make no sense.
[23:25] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Well, I never said they were not idiots.

Yet you're on the side of those idiots. Beware the company you keep.

[23:25] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: hello anti-semitism!
[23:25] Lxxx Sxxxxx: And you are siding with them, in this fight.
[23:25] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: And they clearly don't know their history well.
[23:26] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: He's not going to change the change. This is me talking, not that an EM is an official anything or gets any inside scoop, but his RL time is short. These issues eat up his time. Bluntly, you like Caledon? Or want to grind him so that when he looks at the books and sees the late tier payment he think "why bother?" You want to push that issue? Des wants Caledon to go on and on but why flipping push the man?
[23:26] Lxxx Sxxxxx: You apparently like making Des miserable.
[23:26] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: Don't play chicken with land barons and EM's you WILL lose.
[23:26] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Because he pushed me first.
[23:26] Lxxx Sxxxxx: He didn't push anybody.

Let me restate that, because it sounds vaguely important. Des did not push anyone into doing anything. He was putting his foot down in a meaningful way to preserve the overall peace of a region under his control. Anyone, or anything, that threatens that region he will find a way to deal with. If Ms. [Pxxxxx] continues to threaten that region, he will find a way to deal with her.

It will not make him happy, but one resident over the masses...well, it's always going to come down to the residents that aren't violating the covenant, isn't it? That's just simple logic.

[23:26] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: Be that as it may, the usage of a symbol can change its meaning, as happened with the Swastika.
[23:26] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: his regions, his rules.
[23:26] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Hoo boy...
[23:27] Lxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: he didn't push you. He made a rule about what he's willing to deal with in his reigon as is his right.
[23:30] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: But why pick on the Confederate Flag? The covenant doesn't even ban Nazi stuff? It's just weird.

Because when Caledon first rose from the virtual sea, the only people who affected Nazi uniforms and symbolism were griefers and trolls. I'm sure no one felt that they needed to institute an estate-wide ban, because what sane person would embrace Nazis in any way?

[23:30] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: Ultimately, all estates in SL are private property.
[23:30] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Well, Nazi stuff would be out of period, of course.

That too. Yes.

[23:31] Lxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: Nazi stuff is covered under hate speech and symbols, I believe

Also that. Ultimately, while private estates can make their own covenants of behavior--and many, including Caledon, do--the overarching terms of service Linden Lab maintains is the ultimate standard of conduct. And they have banned hate speech and symbols since they've been a virtual world in the first place.

[23:31] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: not really, the views and hate have historical roots
[23:31] Lxxx Sxxxxx: He wants people to play nice.
[23:31] Lxxx Sxxxxx: THAT is his rule.
[23:31] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: pogroms went on against Jews for 100s of years before the Nazi party was invented
[23:32] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Yes, I know my history.

Not very well, apparently.

[23:33] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yet you want to support this symbol?
[23:33] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: European Christians, (both Catholic and Protestant) persecuted Jews from the time that the Roman empire adopted Christianity as the state religion.
[23:33] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I'm not flying a Nazi flag.
[23:33] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Apparently they just want the right to make people uncomfortable before they will stop.
[23:34] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 'those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them' or some such
[23:34] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: As [Cxxxxx] said, Nazi stuff would be cover under hate speech because it has become symbolic of such speech.
[23:34] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: - "An avatar may express ideas and opinions without fear of retribution. - Please note that slander, libel, hate speech (racial, ethnic or homophobic, or gender slurs), scamming, fraud, harassment &c. are not considered free speech and thus not protected."
[23:34] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: That's good. Because that would get you kicked out of SL. Nazi stuff is against LL's TOS.

And always has been, from day one in the alpha.

[23:34] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I thought the discussion was about the Confederate flag? which has been taken over by people with the same message as the Nazis?
[23:34] Lxxx Sxxxxx: That's part of the problem.
[23:35] Lxxxxxx Mxxxxxx): it was, but [Exxxxxxxx] commented that it's not fair 'cause not even the nazi flag is mentioned
[23:35] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Victorian England (which Caledon is modeled after) in Real Life colonized and conquered nearly half the world. Let's ban steampunk.

Now you're being silly.

[23:35] Axxxxxxx Lxxxxxx: all i know is that SL has been terrible since Charlottsville, every sim i go to has people arguing about the stupid confederate flag and other CLEAR symbols of racism :(
[23:35] Lxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: so we pointed out it's covered
[23:35] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: And that's a good point.
[23:36] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: We're expected to be adults with common sense and manners. Bento nose picking motions bug me.
[23:36] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I bet people in India would find Caledon pretty damn offensive.
[23:37] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Or in Southern Africa.
[23:37] Lxxx Sxxxxx: And if they do, they have every right to go somewhere else.

Maybe, but that's not under discussion. I do know Miss Kamenev had a wonderful series of talks some years back on Orientalism and steampunk, pity I can't track them down now, but in essence: yes, the free adoption of Indian details (along with Japanese and Chinese ones, as Britons traveled the world) was offensive because of why the British did it: namely, that as whites, cultural appropriation didn't strike them with any impact, because anyone not a member of the Great and Shining Island didn't really matter,in any realistic sense. And yes, that's a very offensive idea.

But at its core, we are steeped in our modernity. We can understand why a people did a thing, and how, without fully committing to their flaws of logic. And we may learn from the racism and prejudices of the past without adopting them ourselves.

Something Miss [Pxxxxx] seems to have missed in all of this.

[23:37] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the 3 people from that heritage I was talk to yesterday think it is wonderful
[23:37] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Southern Africa is more Dutch problems.
[23:37] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Northern Africa is more French problems.
[23:37] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: one of them is a 2000 day old AV
[23:37] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Where the British not only oppressed the black people, but the white people, too.
[23:38] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: Ultimately, Des has the authority to make and interpret the rules and enforce them either personally or by delegation. While he tries to be fair, his interpretation of what a symbol means is the bottom line. The covenant includes that he is not Solomon. It also says "Please note that we are not constitutional rights experts, this may be an imperfect document, and we may not make perfect decisions every time. But we promise to try to do things right in good faith.."
[23:38] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: interesting as this is, it is off the point
[23:38] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I will give the British Empire credit for banning the slave trade.
[23:38] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: And being willing to enforce it with their Navy, even to the extent of treating slave ships as pirates.
[23:39] lxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: And the people demonstrating and waving around Confederate flags today, are against anyone who is different from them. I doubt most of those punks have a clue about most of the history.

I would tend to agree. But then, I'm already wondering how deep Miss [Pxxxxx]'s apparently 'knowledge' of history goes, as well.

(Continued in part three.)

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hatred has no place in Caledon (part III)

August 19, 2017, 1:57 pm

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(Continued from part two.)

I know each part is long, but keep in mind, this was a very long conversation.

[23:39] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I'm just making the point that people who spend their SL time dressing up like lords and ladies of the largest colonial empire the world has ever seen, should not really be pointing fingers.

Well, yes and no. In the largest historical sense, yes--we are choosing to play England (and the Colonies, and some accessory islands, and some purely fantasy lands) at the height of burgeoning Empire, when many wrongs were done. To race, to culture, to gender; absolutely.

But we are making different choices. By and large, at least as a group, we are choosing not to discriminate in the ways that the original Victorians did. Natives are people to us, skin color doesn't matter, furs are accepted--all things that, by its very nature both as a battle flag and as a cultural symbol, any Confederate flag flies in the face against.

[23:39] Lxxx Sxxxxx: And you flying the flag as soon as it was deemed "wrong" means you are doing wrong, on purpose.
[23:41] Axxxxxxx Lxxxxxx: and anyway people like to [somehow] forget that freedom of speech only applies to public and government places - it does not and never has applied to private spaces, corporations can indeed make their own rules about what they will and will not tolerate
[23:41] Lxxx Sxxxxx: You don't like the change, then leave. That is what will happen, whether you do it first, or you force kind and generous people to go out of their way to enforce a rule they didn't want to make.
[23:42] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Yes. And how does that work out in these current days of quasi-monopoly internet companies like Google and Amazon?
[23:42] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Des' estate. Des' rules. It really is that simple.
[23:42] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: My guess the people(s) with their conf flags out now will quietly remove them.
[23:42] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Those are wrong symbols, because you still have other choices.
[23:43] Lxxx Sxxxxx: If you live somewhere that has Comcast, you're almost certainly stuck with Comcast.
[23:43] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: It's not and never was a democracy.
[23:43] Lxxx Sxxxxx: And THEY have rules about what they can do.
[23:43] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I am fully on board with free speak, I am not happy about 'no platforming' people you disagree with (it only drives them into the shadows where they fester).... but taking a stand to show a symbol that has all the baggage attached is not acceptable

It's the eternal ethical debate, I fall victim to it easily as well. For example, Eminem. Is it better to have his work openly sold, to let him play where he wants, spreading bigotry and homophobia? Or is it the better choice to ban him from concerts in cities where homophobia has been denied, where bigotry has no place?

My answer generally has been--let him say what he wants. Then we see him for what he is, we hear what he says, we can contrast that with our own values.

But by the same extension, Eminem is (mostly) restricting himself to words. Words have power, but he's not standing in front of the podium screaming about killing blacks, killing mixed-race children, raping white women and forcing them to have white children for the "master race". Those people, I still feel, are dangerous. Not because of their words, which can be persuasive enough, but because of their actions.

So where is the line for free speech drawn? I still don't know.

[23:44] Lxxx Sxxxxx: You don't have to use Google, you can use Bing, or Duck Duck Go, or Ask Jeeves or whatever the heck else you want.
[23:44] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Although I know Des listens to Caledon residents. And it sounds like this has been an ongoing source of resident complaints for years.
[23:44] Lxxx Sxxxxx: You don't have to buy anything on Amazon. You can buy it somewhere else.
[23:45] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: As Des puts it: "Remember, I am no Solomon. I promise a good faith effort to be fair, but I am human and have my own values, which may be as noble or as flawed as your own. I am no counselor and have no special insights." But he does make the rules.
[23:45] Lxxx Sxxxxx: If you don't like the new rule, then go somewhere that doesn't have the rule.
[23:45] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Your "making a stand" is just "making a scene".

And a needlessly dramatic one as well.

[23:45] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: One hates to see a long time resident make bad choices, but ultimately making such a choice and the consequences that come with it are their personal choice. Enough from me.
[23:46] Axxxxxxx Lxxxxxx: exactly - CHOICE is a marveouls thing
[23:46] Lxxx Sxxxxx: And you're making someone that a lot of us care about, very unhappy.
[23:46] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: Mainland is a great deal these days! Costs less and has more prims. And I am not being sarcastic when I say that!
[23:47] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: (I often use that phrase with people at Oxbridge before kicking someone out: We have rules, you have choices. Choices have consequences.)
[23:47] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: actually, I really, really cheered by this conversation on one level... there is a real consensus in Caledon that the ConFed flag is not acceptable... and everyone is arguing calmly
[23:48] Axxxxxxx Lxxxxxx: it really si that simple, [Wxxx]
[23:49] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I don't think I've ever seen a confederate battle flag in Caledon
[23:49] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: So I'm amazed it is such a problem.
[23:49] Lxxx Sxxxxx: If I have, I didn't pay attention to it.
[23:49] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and now you never will, not for long
[23:49] Lxxx Sxxxxx: But some people do.
[23:49] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: I like it because it underlines each individual's responsibility when visiting privately owned land.
[23:49] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: I'll say again, Land Barons and EM's deal with this sort of thing BEHIND the scenes and often before anyone notices.
[23:50] Lxxx Sxxxxx: The good ones, anyway.
[23:50] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: She's correct. :-) (she = [Cx])
[23:50] Lxxx Sxxxxx: And Des is a good one.
[23:50] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Yes. He's the best Estate Owner in Second Life.

Yet you're treating him with such disrespect.

[23:50] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: so just because you haven't seen one, doesn't mean there hasn't been discussion about the issue before, or incidents before.
[23:51] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Some of the complains may have been from griefing. Or visitors.
[23:51] Axxxxxxx Lxxxxxx: and after what has happened i think it's very timely
[23:51] Lxxx Sxxxxx: *complaints
[23:53] Lxxx Sxxxxx: It's still very odd that you'd rather cause problems specifically over something designed to stop problems.
[23:54] Emilly Orr: It is, isn't it?
[23:54] Axxxxxxx Lxxxxxx: *sighs* i have come to the conclusion that some people want to cause problems kist for the sake of causing problems, in both lives. . . . . . :(
[23:54] Emilly Orr: And here I thought Miss Portal was rather level-headed.
[23:54] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Well it's SL, we're all nuts.
[23:55] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: That must be it. I'm sure you all can name a host of problems I've caused in the past and drama I've been involved in.
[23:55] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: He's asking for help, really. He deserves it.
[23:55] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: *snicker*
[23:55] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: Bans the Southern Pecan
[23:55] Lxxx Sxxxxx rage quits
[23:56] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: So true [Lxxx]....so true!
[23:56] Lxxx Sxxxxx: You haven't caused a host of problems. Why start now?
[23:56] Mxxx Mxxxxxxxam: my mom made these pumpkin pecan pies with sherry, omg, the pie shell had chopped pecans with butter

I had to dig up a recipe after that mention, and couldn't find one that hit the notes of pecans in the shell of a butter crust with sherry. But I found a Pecan Brownie Pie, a Bourbon/Raisin Pecan Pie, and a Kentucky Bourbon Pecan Pie, all of which sound amazing.

[23:57] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: exactly.... playing "I dare you to get rid of me" with Land Barons and EM's does not work well.
[23:57] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx's mind is suddenly focused on the idea of that pie crust
[23:57] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Can you think of a single problem I've caused here in eight and a have years of residence before tonight?
[23:57] Lxxx Sxxxxx: And why do you want to sully that record?
[23:58] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: Exactly, keep the flawless record of no issues, it's easy.
[23:58] Lxxx Sxxxxx: You are causing problems NOW. Doesn't matter how many problems you didn't cause yesterday.
[23:58] Fxxxxxxx Oxxxxx: Just logged in and now confused......are we banning someone or eating pumpkin pecan pies?
[23:58] Emilly Orr: Well, tonight, you're just throwing away everything for a single prim. Doesn't make sense.
[23:58] Lxxx Sxxxxx: "I didn't shoot anyone for twenty years. Why is shooting someone bad now?"

Pretty damn much. And she doesn't even see it.

[23:58] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I was responding to: [23:54] Artemiss Luminos: *sighs* i have come to the conclusion that some people want to cause problems kist for the sake of causing problems, in both lives. . . . . . :(
[23:58] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx is all about the pie at this point
[23:58] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: Damned straight [Fxxx], we are a cake based community
[23:59] Fxxxxxxx Oxxxxx: Steelhead....well.....cake, pie, cookies......
[23:59] Emilly Orr: Now, I admit, I had a tower in Winterfell at one point, that had meaning for me. I was asked to take it down. *I did*. That decision didn't sit well, though, and after a few more months, *I left*. Note, my choice to cooperate, my choice to leave. I was never *asked* to.
[23:59] Emilly Orr: Now you are being asked to cooperate with an edict from a land owner. Do it.
[23:59] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: Well, no, [Exxxxxxxx] isn't causing problems now, at least not as the discussion exists. But continuing to display the flag will become a problem.
[00:00] Lxxx Sxxxxx: She is asking to cause the problem. She wants Des to log in and kick her out.
[00:00] Emilly Orr: Which is kind of high up in the stupidsphere, and is drama that can be easily avoided.
[00:01] Axxxxxxx Lxxxxxx: it sounds mean but it isn't neant to be - if you don;t like something you can always leave, it's CHOICE
[00:01] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Or you can stay awake for the next 12 hours waiting for someone to log in and kick you out for reasons.

"For reasons", right. Like that's going to happen.

[00:02] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: I am reminded of a song: "I fought the Law and the Law won"

Exactly. Exactly what's going to happen with this. Keep fighting, you won't win. Fight harder, you still won't win.

[00:02] Emilly Orr: And he won't do it. Do you know when he'll do something? When you don't pay your rent for a few weeks.
[00:02] Nxxxx Rxxx: It is also a choice to protest.
[00:02] Emilly Orr: And even with that, he'll only reclaim the land, or sell it on, he won't ban you from Caledon.
[00:02] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: It will happen as she chooses in the end. And I assume Des will simply do it, perhaps offering a final chance to make a choice, but no particular drama.
[00:02] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Why would I not pay my rent for a few weeks?
[00:03] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: If I'm even a day late, I always pay back rent.
[00:03] Emilly Orr: People do. People have.
[00:03] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: By the way... pay your tier on time, or the Catgirls and fashionistas will come for you....and they will not be happy. You don't want unhappy catgirls and fashionistas.
[00:04] Axxxxxxx Lxxxxxx: *giggles*
[00:04] Nxxxx Rxxx: At this point I think the ball is (sadly) in Des's park. I hate for him to have to deal with more stuff, but all the talk now isn't going to change anyone's mind as to what is best to do.
[00:05] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Yes, that is what saddens me. Des has to take MORE crap about something he JUST SAID he was tired of taking crap over.
[00:05] Nxxxx Rxxx: As for the tier issue, if everyone paid on time Des would be FAR happier with his job as landlord.
[00:05] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: as would other Land Barons of my Acquaintance as well.
[00:06] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: late/none tier payment is why we have lost so many regions
[00:06] Lxxx Sxxxxx: But he dropped the regions to keep the estate afloat.
[00:07] Gxxxxxxxx Rxxx: That and the general loss of SL residents.
[00:07] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: and I am still saddened over Glengarry going away and thusly losing my Glengarry Parcel, which I loved.
[00:07] Nxxxx Rxxx: Two neighbors of mine recently left Caledon. One just vanished with months of unpaid tier, all their stuff still rezzed on the parcel. The other cleaned off his parcel, paid AHEAD one month, and left Des a note. Guess which one made Des happy?
[00:07] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes
[00:07] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: sure it was basically a "park" but I loved that little thing.
[00:07] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: I've been late a day or two on occasion, and always paid back rent for the days I was late. So if I was two days late (that's the latest), I've always paid the next weeks rent, plus 200L$ a day for each day I was late, and now i'm the problem with lost regions?

Of course not. You're reading things incorrectly, and assuming everyone's attacking you with pitchforks and knives, and we're not even massing outside your dwelling.

[00:08] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: no no, we're talking in General Miss [Exxxxxxxx].
[00:08] Lxxx Sxxxxx: No, you're the problem with a flag you didn't rez.
[00:08] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Until someone told you not to.
[00:08] Lxxx Sxxxxx: Now you're being petulant about it.

Yes, well put.

[00:08] Nxxxx Rxxx: We were trying to change the conversation to another issue
[00:08] Cxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: but imagine, that the flag is just one more burden on an overburdened land baron.
[00:08] Nxxxx Rxxx: One unrelated to you.
[00:08] Axxxxxxx Lxxxxxx: *facepalms*
[00:08] Wxxxxxxxx Jxxxxxxx: Ultimately, one in a position to enforce rules has to be able to do it without hate; basically with non-attachment. Simply do what needs to be done.
[00:09] Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx: Group Notice Sent by: [Exxxxxxxx Pxxxxx]
Waiting to be Banned

After the title, all the notice contained was was a picture:

[00:09] Emilly Orr: You have lost your mind.

(Continued in part four.)

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